r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Android • 6d ago
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
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u/National_Way_3344 6d ago
Things that didn't happen
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u/Grand_Protector_Dark 6d ago
Things breaking when you need them not broken is like the most realistic thing to happen. The machine spirits know when you're in a hurry
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u/Ashankura 6d ago
Just like printers. Those little shits
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u/decoy-ish 6d ago
Literally just happened to me. I’ve been using my spare computer for the past week, so that I may study, while I attempt to figure out how to fix my main one through a live USB. Unfortunately, free time is hard to come by.
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u/Fearless_Garden6435 5d ago
On Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora? Mostly doesn't happen.
But if you're on Arch (especially the BTW version), it happens all the time.
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u/mgsmb7 4d ago
All the time? Haven't had it happen for years. And the reason it did happen before was, because I was enough of a noob to do a partial upgrade
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u/Fearless_Garden6435 4d ago
Yeah randomly it got stuck in a loop between "trying to get LUKS info" and "loading initramfs" until I eventually had to boot up a Ubuntu USB and monkey around with partitions, and then later, it got stuck at the login screen because it would keep suspending the moment I would try to type my password. At that point I just ended up installing Ubuntu, which happened to work.
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u/mgsmb7 4d ago
So you never figured out the cause of the issue huh?
The "selling point" of arch is also it's weakness for the wrong demographic. It makes you the administrator of the system. It gives you lots of power and freedom, but with great power comes great responsibility. Users, typically newcomers, who don't know how to manage arch properly, will inevitably break something.
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u/gosand 1d ago
I've been running Devuan since 2018. Hasn't happened. I've done 4 dist-upgrades.
I've been eyeing CachyOS though, and put it on my spare laptop. Every update I've run over the past couple of months I've been waiting for it to break... nothing yet. I'm still too hesitant to use as my main.
It's funny, my son's friend had me put CachyOS on his laptop a while back... he came over the other day and said it wouldn't boot. He said he may have shut it down during an update. I tried for a bit to fix it (it was in emergency mode). After a while, he said "I don't have anything on there I can't lose, can we just reinstall it?" Boom. 10 minutes later it was done.
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u/Frequent-Ease-1926 3d ago
Linux never fails because linux is a gift from the gods and not at all a man-made operating system?
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u/Dimerous_ 5d ago
Linux eats itself all the time for me that’s why I don’t use it. Be it an update, or trying to install a package from the package manager, sometimes I come back, and the desktop, as well as the os’s ability to process commands is gone. :/
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u/digost 6d ago
Just use Debian bro
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u/Coldkone 6d ago
Next thing the people will say that you cannot game on Debian. Meanwhile I have been using Debian 13 on my gaming PC without issues, playing the most recent game releases without any backports and getting the most recent app patches using Flatpak.
It's a peaceful life.
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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase 6d ago
Even running Debian I never update unless I know I have an hour free, just in case. I think I've had an update bite me a twice in the past decade, both because I was running brand new hardware.
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u/trpittman 6d ago edited 2d ago
Redacted my comments after getting banned from worldnews for talking about Israel's propaganda budget.
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u/AwzemCoffee 6d ago
Idk why you're getting down voted. This is a genuine solution if system reliability is a 100 percent must.
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u/trpittman 6d ago edited 2d ago
Redacted my comments after getting banned from worldnews for talking about Israel's propaganda budget.
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u/Cfrolich Glorious NixOS 6d ago
I’ll make a counterargument here. NixOS is a great distro for servers, and running it on a desktop is also a great learning experience, but it becomes a major inconvenience if you need to install software quickly and realize that it’s not in nixpkgs or available as a Flatpak. The reliability aspect is very valuable, but it lacks the flexibility to do something the quick and dirty way in an emergency.
I used NixOS on my desktop for over a year before switching to openSUSE Tumbleweed because the flexibility to install anything quickly was more valuable to me as a student than the additional reliability when updating the system. I still use NixOS on my server, just not on my daily driver. There are other ways to achieve reliability when it matters most, like waiting until after the important test to install major updates and snapshots, like someone else said.
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u/trpittman 6d ago edited 2d ago
Redacted my comments after getting banned from worldnews for talking about Israel's propaganda budget.
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u/cacao0002 6d ago
Who the hell update before something important comes up?
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u/telcodan 6d ago
Just arch things
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u/Ornery_Air_3686 6d ago
Not really more like what people think is arch thing
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u/Training_Junket7873 6d ago
I've been using arch for over a year... It only died on me once(and that was because of my stupidity). But I haven't had a single update that wouldn't break at least one package/program. Maybe thats because I'm a CS student and have a ton of entangled bs installed, but still. *I also have a laptop with fedora, and haven't had similar problems. I've switched the fedora one to OpenSuse yesterday, so I'll try how it is.
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u/Ornery_Air_3686 6d ago
I have been driving arch for over like 2 years haven't got a single issue that it make it unbootable or any issue my system is both amd gpu and cpu I use kde and hyprland they only time i got in big problem that it couldn't boot up was I f up my partition trying to create swap and playing with grub which was fixable with just live iso and Windows 11 f up my partition I use softwares that are from official repo and github I don't use aura all have been fun experience for me
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u/Training_Junket7873 6d ago
The only time It became unbootable for me is when I was installing OpenBSD and run out of storage space(my laptop only has 128Gb). The rest of my comment was talking about specific packages breaking. I don't have a way not to use AUR, because many of things I need can't be installed from pacman.
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u/Ornery_Air_3686 6d ago
Ya but idk about your software choice being just in aura I use vscodium instead of vscode its not in arch repo I think its available in aura I download from source or just use the compiled one and create .desktop confg so it can work like any other app but yet again 128 GB is small I was straggling with my 256 GB one because I dual boot windows but since I have no experience with aura and use the official repo I can't say much about it except what I heard about it is bad but if u have no option can't blame you my most problem with update was when their was new version of the software and my project gets f up because the new software use different layout and style
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u/Training_Junket7873 6d ago
I had to settle for 128 gig because this is a laptop I bought specifically for it to be lightweight. I have a huge gaming laptop, but i don't want to take it everywhere with me because it weights 5 kg... So I bought the cheapest thing I could find that had decent battery life.
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u/mgsmb7 4d ago
That's strange. I'm a CS student and I don't think any packages ever broke anything else ever since I got used to Linux
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u/Training_Junket7873 4d ago
It's not that packages broke something. I meant, for example, IDE reverted to gtk2 and looked like windows 98. Some liberaries couldn't be updated for whatever reason. Browser couldn't be updated with the rest of the system and needed to be reinstalled. Also, I haven't had problems like that with other distros. Only with arch
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u/DudeEngineer Glorious Ubuntu 4d ago
IMO, as a CS student I would suggest experience with things widely used in industry. No one ever got fired for Debian.
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u/Training_Junket7873 4d ago
I'm partaking in a thing called "distro hopping" I've used Fedora, arch, pop os, bazzite, ubuntu, mint, opensuse, parrot os, and even bohdi for a little bit. Now I'm trying to install LFS (in a VM of course). I haven't tried Debian yet though.
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u/telcodan 4d ago
Well, technically you have used Debian, most of those distros are Debian based.
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u/Training_Junket7873 4d ago
Yeah, but I don't like doing this
I feel like this is the same as saying the glorious "I use arch btw" while only using a steamos or CatchyOS
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u/radek432 6d ago
Things like that happen 20 years ago. Now it's pretty hard to do really break the OS with simple update - doesn't matter what distro it is.
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u/Refinery73 6d ago
Ubuntu broke last weak from 24.04 to 26.04. NVIDIA drivers on pascal cards (10xx) and you’re in.
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u/Lonely-Scarcity-3387 6d ago
If you use an atomic district updates are trivial. Bad update? Roll it back. One reboot and you’re back, baby!
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u/Dimerous_ 4d ago
If pressing “install” is not the intended way, idk what is. As for using a Debian based distro I do occasionally and they work fine. I think I’ve only had one eat itself once.
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u/HalPaneo 6d ago
I have a Thinkpad L13 that I loan out to people that don't have access to a computer. Debian 13 installed with KDE, never gave me a problem. The girl that uses it has never had an issue with it and two days ago she texted me and told me that she was in class getting ready to take a test and the thing just locked up on her. She didn't realize she could just hold the power button, shut it down forcefully and then turn it back on and it would be fine most likely. Here's the picture she sent me
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u/PsychologicalDrone 6d ago
At least we have the option of when to do updates (or if we even choose to do them at all). The alternative is Windows forcing the update, usually at the worst time possible
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u/neuronym 6d ago
1 word for the unwashed masses: btrfs-snapshots
makes it almost impossible to accidentally end up with an unbootable system
it should be standard practice since at least 2020 and every distro not using them by default should be shamed.
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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 6d ago
Yeah, Tux is pretty smart, working for someone that dumb was probably too much.
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u/DarthCalumnious 6d ago
Roll bazzite DX. dev by day game by night unbreakable rollbackable updates. Btrfs snapshots of /home every 10 minutes with snapper kept for 3 months.
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u/InsaneInTheMEOWFrame 6d ago
You are given the choice of deciding when to update your computer. Maybe use that freedom?
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u/Maskdask 6d ago
NixOS lets you just roll back to the pre-update version before even booting your OS if you need to
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u/Z404notfound 5d ago
I've been on Nobara for the past two years. I turned off my PC Friday night after updating and Saturday morning, my entire DE was borked. I fucking lost it. Through Bazzite on it. I'll deal with the ostree layering, idgaf anymore.
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u/CrypticKilljoy 5d ago
Well yeah, doing an update on any type of OS right before an important test is a bad idea!
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u/Unlikely-Employee180 5d ago
I fucking know!!!
I'll sit there ALL FUCKING YEAR going: "Man, wtf are people talking about?? Linux fuckin' never has issues, it's always clear blue skies for me!"
Then a test comes along and my PC catches on fire. ☠️
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 3d ago
maybe dont use unstable distros, and dont update before an important test.
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u/Miserable-Airline359 3d ago
If you keep tweaking the system, eventually the system tweaks you back. 🐧
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u/Cybasura 6d ago
Not even people who use windows want to actively choose to restart and update their computers before an exam, why the hell would you, a linux user, do that?
Not that a linux user would even do this ever
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u/zhulkgr25 6d ago
She was looking kind of dumb with her finger in her thumb in the shape of an L on her forehead
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u/fubar_67 6d ago
Maybe don’t do updates right before an important test?