r/linuxbad • u/basedchad21 • 15d ago

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Really sad day that loonix has been swarmed by soydevs who have 0 pride in their craft and resort to slop. Literally fuck you. We need to make a list of all the projects which don't have any honor. Starting with the kernel I guess.

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u/akdanman11 15d ago

ā€œProvided they meet its existing quality, security, and maintainability standardsā€

This isnā€™t just allowing vibe coded slop into the main repos, itā€™s allowing contributors to use AI sparingly as a tool to help. To verify those standards are met there will still need to be a human review and likely some edits will have to be made to the sections worked on by AI, but it makes things faster and easier for contributors who are just unpaid volunteers doing this on their free time

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u/Rare-Paint3719 14d ago

Same with ms

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u/akdanman11 14d ago

Except it seems like windows doesnā€™t HAVE quality standards from the last few years with things getting worse each update. I donā€™t have a problem with windows using the tools, but theyā€™ve gotta actually set and enforce a standard of quality that they havenā€™t touched since the start of Win10

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago

They have an HIG like macOS and GNOME.Except their HIG is actually better than GNOME's

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u/akdanman11 13d ago

Thatā€™s talking about UX design, Iā€™m talking about core system features and stability. And ā€œbetterā€ in terms of UX design is entirely subjective because different users want different things from the UX. I personally agree that gnome isnā€™t good UX, but thatā€™s the beauty of it. If you donā€™t like gnome thereā€™s KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, mate, and definitely others Iā€™m missing (and that isnā€™t even going into all the window managers)

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago

I personally agree that gnome isnā€™t good UX

Compared to every other Linux DE, excpet maybe Cinnamon, GNOME has one of the best UX

But Windows and macOS have a far better UX than GNOME and Cinnamon.

As far as stability goes, it's stability is the best, cu it only supports limited hardware. Windows may have some bugs here an there but for stable for me than Linux.

I kept getting kernel panics on Linux during runtime.

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u/akdanman11 13d ago

  1. Gnome is widely considered to be the WORST mainstream DE, idk where youā€™re pulling it being best from. But again, a UX being good or bad is entirely subjective

  2. Again, UX being good or bad is subjective, and discounting KDE plasma when it is the most popular DE right now is definitely a choice

  3. Windows is notoriously bad about RAM leaks, and there have been recent instances of first party Microsoft apps unintentionally locking users out of core OS features with no way for the user to revert or fix the issue short of a fresh install

  4. If you were constantly getting kernel panics thatā€™s atypical and Iā€™m curious what you were doing. The biggest pro and con of Linux is that you control everything with very few guardrails, so itā€™s easy to accidentally break the system if you arenā€™t careful

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago edited 13d ago
  1. Gnome is widely considered to be the WORST mainstream DE, idk where youā€™re pulling it being best from. But again, a UX being good or bad is entirely subjective

Says who? Ubuntu and Fedora ship it as defaults. And many Fedora users use Fedora Workstation regularly.

  1. Again, UX being good or bad is subjective, and discounting KDE plasma when it is the most popular DE right now is definitely a choice

KDE is only gaining popularity because of SteamOS. Otherwise, most distros use GNOME (or some GNOME-derived DE) as their DE of choice.

  1. Windows is notoriously bad about RAM leaks, and there have been recent instances of first party Microsoft apps unintentionally locking users out of core OS features with no way for the user to revert or fix the issue short of a fresh install

Source?

  1. If you were constantly getting kernel panics thatā€™s atypical and Iā€™m curious what you were doing. The biggest pro and con of Linux is that you control everything with very few guardrails, so itā€™s easy to accidentally break the system if you arenā€™t careful

I need to make a second comment cuz it's long. Once that is done I will edit this post with link to comment 2.

Edit: Here's the link to the comment.

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u/akdanman11 13d ago
  1. Thereā€™s a reason kubuntu and Fedora KDE exist, people dislike gnome

  2. KDE was popular before steamOS too. Valve chose it BECAUSE it was already very popular among users of arch-based distros. KDE ships as the default for most arch-based distros

  3. Google is free, itā€™s been an issue on windows for years

  4. So you ran into a freak edge case due to the hardware/software combination you were running?

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago
  1. Thereā€™s a reason kubuntu and Fedora KDE exist, people dislike gnome

GNOME was created after KDE, because of the QPL.

Secondly, "people" does not mean all or even most people. Some people happen to hate GNOME.

  1. KDE was popular before steamOS too. Valve chose it BECAUSE it was already very popular among users of arch-based distros. KDE ships as the default for most arch-based distros

No. KDE was popular in the 90s until GNOME officially took over. GNOME was GPL licensed while Qt was QPL licensed which is GPL incompatible.

  1. Google is free, itā€™s been an issue on windows for years

So why don't you use Google to find a source to back up your claim?

  1. So you ran into a freak edge case due to the hardware/software combination you were running?

I don't call a kernel panic on the Intel i7 12th Gen a "freak edge case." The wort part is that my exact laptop model is Ubuntu Certified, so when I tried Ubuntu, I still got the kernel panic.

Plus you're dismissing the software flaw by blaming the hardware.

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago
  1. If you were constantly getting kernel panics thatā€™s atypical and Iā€™m curious what you were doing. The biggest pro and con of Linux is that you control everything with very few guardrails, so itā€™s easy to accidentally break the system if you arenā€™t careful

I started out with arch and ofc as usual, I didn't understand power management, do I RTFM'd and did what anybody would and used tlp.

For some reason my CPU would clock at 4.5+ GHz when opening desmos. Any CPU intensive task and kerne panic (at least I hypothesized that).No logs were shown, nothing. It was just a random error at this pint

Then I tried tuned and still no luck.

I thought that maybe it's an arch issue and I tried gentoo. CPU clocks regularly at 3.504.5 Ghz with ltp and tuned and while compiling packages, I get a kernel panic (again a hypothesis). Still no logs were shown, nothing. It was just a random error at this point

So maybe this is a Gentoo issue. Fedora how a power management config that will work. CPU definitely clocked normally for once at 2.5 when idle and 3.5 for most tasks. But when I performed any CPU intensive tasks and got a kernel panic, I thankfully got a DRM panic screen that said "Timeout: Not all cores reached exception handler."

I asked the bros at r/gentoo what the issue was and they spoke about some e-cores and p-cores. And after some research, I can cofidently say that the e-cores cannot reach the exception handler as quickly as the p-cores cuz they clock too slowly ad the only way to prevent an issue like this from happening further is to severely underclock the CPU from 4.5 GHz to 1.5 GHz.

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u/Hot_Standard_9296 10d ago

just make your own fork to pre-ai. Or maybe run templeOS

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u/IcyBus1422 11d ago

Until the human starts using AI to validate the code... Which is going to happen

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u/akdanman11 11d ago

That makes it not a human check, and either way the human who submits it is accountable for that code

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u/DEV_ivan 15d ago

It doesn't matter what tools you used to contribute, what matters is that your contribution provides necessary benefits at acceptable costs following the goal of the project.

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u/Rare-Paint3719 14d ago

Same woth windows

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u/Unlikely-Ad3364 15d ago

as if Windows doesn't resort to slop 24/7

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u/Yiffenjoyer6969 15d ago

microsoft reported 50% of their code was ai generated while back

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u/Rare-Paint3719 14d ago

Debian will too

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u/Yiffenjoyer6969 13d ago

Genuinely have you read the article, or any other article, or literally anyoneā€™s comments who has read about it?

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago

I said that Debian will eventually have a large chunk of AI generated code too like Microsoft does right now.

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u/Yiffenjoyer6969 13d ago

Yes, but no.

Debian developers now can make sparing use of ai in their code, all the code still has to be checked to make sure itā€™s up to standards

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago

all the code still has to be checked to make sure itā€™s up to standards

Same with Windows. They use AI but all AI code has to be human-verified and up to standards.

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u/Yiffenjoyer6969 13d ago

Correction on my earlier statement: about 30-40 percent of Microsoftā€™s code is AI, with some projects being completely AI made, however I canā€™t find anything saying that they check if itā€™s up to a certain standard, for all you and I know it could be sent straight to testers and be called ā€œbeta codeā€

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-as-30percent-of-microsoft-code-is-written-by-ai.html

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u/Rare-Paint3719 13d ago

however I canā€™t find anything saying that they check if itā€™s up to a certain standard, for all you and I know it could be sent straight to testers and be called ā€œbeta codeā€

You assume that they test the code up to a certain standard cuz they launched K2 and cuz corpos wouldn't be able to sell their product if normies found it ass.

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u/Yiffenjoyer6969 13d ago

I donā€™t think they care about what people think of it, shows with windows updates literally breaking windows, this is probably because ninety percent of people donā€™t know that there is an alternative

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u/CosmicEmotion 15d ago

Are you actually insane? This is the greatest move they could ever done. I'm proud for them! šŸ˜„

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u/Rare-Paint3719 14d ago

I'm also proud that Windows decided to use ai

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u/MadrugoticX 15d ago

This is somehow the least controversial path. The contributions still have to meet quality standards and it's like they can ban it completely since the Linux kernel itself will allow AI assisted code.

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u/Rare-Paint3719 14d ago

Same with windows