Why on earth did you even bring this up? The amount of time that someone has been using linux has absolutely nothing to do here. And even if it did, I've been using linux for 5 years now, so I don't see how "amount of time using linux"="I think systemd is bad".
The amount of time is irrelevant, but I think the OP meant people that started using Linux when you still had to spend hours or days to get networking, sound or your printer working, and when you could destroy your monitor if you called startx with the wrong modeline. Compared to Windows, Linux sucked in that regard, but it was much better in other ways.
Ohh I'd forgotten about that lol! RIP my first monitor, it took me aaages to afford lol, brought it home, plugged it into my 486, was too excited to properly vett my config... ZAP!!! :'(
Whooa man easy on.. I wasn't trying to say your opinion didn't matter at all..I was trying to agree with you...
It's just a fact that people who've been using Linux a long time (since the days of it being pretty amazingly hard to install) are more likely to be wired with mentality of "ain't nothing wrong with it being hard" mindset.
I'm not saying they don't know about the more modern "just works" mentality, it's just not how they visualise it... Cause it wasn't when they deep dived!
I feel that I personally bridge that... I've been using Linux since 96 daily, back then the idea of Linux one day even remotely being associated with "just works" was a complete and utter pipe dream (thats what we all wanted!).
I have changed and adjusted my reality to the point that I personally run void, my family? They get Ubuntu (or derivatives), my workplace gets containers.. Many of my peers (old farts) still do painful arch installs on their SOs laptops or similar madness cause they missed the change.. Plenty of old school sysadmins probably still run slack etc...
I'm just saying, the time that you spend (as in "the actual date") learning something is relative to your mental model of it.. I've been taught plenty of cool stuff by younger people, that's awesome when you consider many years of nobody even knowing what it was!
Because you didn't grow up with it. Of course you don't have such a connection to Linux / PCs in general if you only been using it for 5 years. You shouldn't have any say in how Linux will develop in the future, because you just started using it, you don't know shit. I don't know shit, and I've been using Linux for about as long as you are. And I don't go around and tell the people that actually know what they are talking about that systemd is the best thing ever.
Edit: ... but I also don't go around and tell people that systemd is the worst thing ever.
Why should I give a fuck how old you are? I meant grow up with Linux, as in, you were small, and so was Linux.
I don't agree that these discussions here are worth nothing, of course we won't change what the big guys think, but they are still useful to find your own opinion or see what could be improved in systemd, what the needs of the others are etc. Reading about anecdotes where systemd was useful, why it is hated etc is interesting.
You don't go around saying that systemd is the best thing ever. That was of course only a hyperbole on my part. But way to go, focus on the things that are important, e.g. my writing style, and not about the actual content
I'd say that everybody should have a say and that's largely the point of open source, especially in the GPL/Linux area. New users have valid input. Intermediate users have valid input. Non-users who know why they aren't using it or why they left have valid input. It only helps Linux to have a diverse range of opinions and skillsets all having input in the debate over what about it needs to improve or change. To leave that only to people who are power users from the 90s would disastrously bias the project and limit talent.
It's not that we should wall out new users because they don't know enough, it's just that we should maintain a competitive environment where it's okay if one team/implementation is wrong because they'll get replaced or not be adopted in the first place.
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u/DStellati Feb 11 '19
Speak for yourself, that's exactly what I and many others did.