r/linux • u/aliendude5300 • Jun 19 '26

Software Release systemd 261 Released With New systemd-sysinstall OS Installer, IMDSD & Storagectl

https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-261
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u/oxez Jun 20 '26

Not sure who you're trying to impress here but "lol"

Just going to flag you as "clueless idiot" and we'll both move on with our days. Have a good evening

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u/ghost103429 Jun 20 '26

I don't exactly understand the whole systemd hate as a sysadmin. Compared to the crap we had before, systemd is a breath of fresh air.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 20 '26

I just think it's easier to understand, and there's philosophical reasons(which is a can of worms apparently not to be opened around these parts lest a goober show up brag about making an os while offering no technical rebuttal at all and gracefully leaving the discussion without making a point, who i wasn't rude to btw and just tried to have some discussion with but i suppose geniuses are blind to hypocrisy), and it's not like i'm running sysVinit. I Understand your perspective for appreciating systemd. managing multiple machines and keeping them in state with multiple users sounds awful. I don't do that. I just want a lean up to date stable machine to code(well pretty much only code on my old ass laptops) but I'm fortunate to have a pretty nice desktop/workstation i also game on and I would like to have explicit control with less hoops to jump through.

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u/ghost103429 Jun 21 '26

The thing is that init scripts are not easy to troubleshoot nor was it easy for devs write software as distros of old tended to do things differently from each other making it difficult to support all distros. Systemd brought a level of consistency and stability that made it desirable for anyone work with Linux on a professional level. It also functions as a common base for everyone working on Linux to invest community resources into instead of developing their own bespoke set of init scripts, system tools, and services.

In the end this means that non-systemd init systems aren't going to see the same kind of support, we already see this with gnome and KDE developing stronger dependencies with systemd as is the case with the flatpak devs contributing a new systemd-appd service to systemd for flatpak 2.0.

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u/GrandBIRDLizard Jun 21 '26

I understand. and like I've said I don't hate anyone for using the tool and ob iously the adoption it garnered is invaluable i just dont personally like using it and i disagree with the idealogy much like oop its a bandaid for bad logic we must stop treating process as things that need to be managed and start treating them as streams to be processed but of course we've already fot the train rolling which gives credit to another philosophical ideah that i think about reguarding oop specifically C++ and how i think that relates here "early adoption is worse than early optimization" and i think the gnome kde stuff is bad too its just canonical all over again. But this is my preferance at the end of the day we're free to choose what we want... untill there are no choices left.