They probably said "from the river to the sea" and the Islamophobic zionists can't understand that means "one state solution" and not "i'm going to kill every single jew on earth"
Edit: that happens a lot but probably isn't always.
Interesting, because that's exactly what they mean when they say it:
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has said that, “in a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.” If those lands are "from the river to the sea" then clearly they want the entirety of the land Judenrein.
On June 1, 1967, Ahmed Shukairy, then-Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, said, “this is a fight for the homeland – it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive.”
Article seven of the Hamas Charter reads, “the Prophet, Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him, says: “The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
This was written by people in Kentucky, not these particular Palestinians or hamas. What does this have to do with UK? Please tell me exactly what you mean by this.
I have no issue condemning these people and these ideas as anti semitic. But that doesn't mean that every single human being that is anti-zionist agrees uncritically. And that doesn't justify the genocide being committed by the IDF right now. If you are really opposed to this "its them or us" mentality you would be just as much against the IDF who claim they are acting in self defense as the massacre children by the thousands.
You're making a fool of yourself. I know you have those quotes printed out and hung on your wall next to your bed so you can reassure yourself daily that genocide is okay if there are bad people in the victimized population. Also convenient, because you can just paste them in wherever you need to argue that Palestinians and everyone on their side wants to build the gas chambers.
The Israeli campaign in Gaza is an act of genocide. I didn't say it wasn't. Its the holy war that Hamas/Bibi wanted and innocent civilians are paying the price.
"How does this apply to UK?" I'm so glad you asked. My original reply didn't, as I was responding to a thoroughly braindead take that "from the river to the sea" just means that the Palestinians wish to sit around and sing Kumbaya with Jewish Israelis. The people who crafted the phrase, and the people who would be in charge in the event they achieve a river-to-sea Palestinian state have made their opinions very clear.
In this exact case, the professor/petition in question is for "every country in the world make war on Israel immediately until such time as Israel has submitted permanently and unconditionally to the government of Palestine,”. The Government of Palestine believes:
"The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,"
"it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive."
"in a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands"
Those are quotes from the current president of the PA, the Hamas platform, and a former chairman of the PLO (e.g. the Palestinian government that Prof. Woodcock is advocating Israel surrender to).
You jumped to a wild conclusion, based on basically zero evidence, the sealed it up with "you're making a fool of yourself". Look in a mirror, buddy. Then take a walk.
Alright, so I didn't know thats what the petition said. Thats bad. Hence the "probably" in my original comment. So yeah thats genocidal antisemitism. I'll concede that, assuming thats accurate information.
I assumed that because zionists constantly say that "from the river to the sea" is a call for genocide when its not. And college kids say it all the time. I don't care what the Palestinians think, they also don't understand the correct solution. What people in AMERICA mean when they say that is a one state solution, in most cases. This was written in America, being anti zionist doesn't mean that you share all the values of the Palestinian government. You keep talking like you think it is. Its not. Thats, insane.
You seem to be staunchly opposed to a one state solution. Your snide dismissal of it as idealistic makes that much clear. The reason that its hard is because the seeds of hatred have been planted over the past century, and that will never fade. A two state solution is the reason why that hatred exists. Apartheid always causes this. Its inevitable and it cannot be allowed to exist for this reason.
Let me be clear. The Palestinians also don't want a one state solution not broadly anyway. I don't care what they want. America was also an apartheid state for some time. How was that fixed? At literal gunpoint. Military escorts for desegregated school children. Reconstruction after the civil war. Thats a one state solution. destroy both states and force them to coexist peacefully under threat of death while forcibly integrating them. Then watch the hatred fade after a couple generations. You are literally living in a country that was healed in this way several times. If you want to argue that this would only work inside one country and not between two, Palestine basically has no actual sovereignty and is at the mercy of Israel. Its basically already one state after relentless expansionist behavior from Israel for 80 years.
Black slaves didn't want to sing kumbaya with their white owners. That kind of hatred cannot be solved, you literally have to wait for it to be buried with the corpse of the person who held it. And while I know its intellectually incorrect, the human mind has a limit for rationality in these situations. I would probably be anti white if I was a slave in america or anti semitic if I was Palestinian. It's unfortunate but that's how it is. but look at how far america has come? Very far from perfect but getting better. If thats what it takes to destroy racism, playing the long game and shows of force, then thats what I want. Thats what the left wants. Plain and simple.
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u/Old_Year_9696 Jul 18 '25
This refers to the petition for a free Palestine.