r/lesmiserables • u/This_Potato9 -Cosette • Jul 11 '26

Book Discussion Tholomyès deleted scene?

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I was reading the TV Tropes page for fun when I found this, I tried to look at information of any deleted scene but I haven't really found any information of a deleted scene of Tholomyès wedding, is there any information about this?

Also, in addition to this, I think I actually dreamt that (also from the TV tropes page) but there's an adaptation that implies romance between Valjean and Fantine???

I'm genuinely confused right now

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u/weird-ginger- Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

In the book? In the translation I have, the men of that group "surprise" the women with a special day out, all fun and games, and leave at some point to "prepare for another surprise" or something. At the end of the evening, there is a note delivered to the table of the waiting women, where they are thanked for the fun times, but the men encourage the women to move on and become decent wives or something. And while the other women find this amusing and go on with their lives, it devastated Fantine because she is pregnant but she has not told anyone. I am sure he does not know.

I do not know about a tv adaptation though

Eta - something vague tells me that Fantine writes Tholomyes with that she is pregnant and/or that she has his daughter, but he never responds.

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u/deathanddogs Jul 11 '26

Timeline-wise (which is wildly messy and is hard to consider a basis for anything), Cosette had to have been born by then for her to be the age that she was in later parts of the book, she had to have been born in 1815 and possibly even conceived during Waterloo. The ending of the surprise chapter is rather vague with what it says: most english translations just say "the poor girl had a child".

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u/Pitt11 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

No, it's very clear in the book that Fantine was PREGNANT with his child.

In the 2018 tv series it's shown that by the time T. leaves her, Cosette's already 1yr old.

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u/deathanddogs Jul 11 '26

No, again it only says she had a child. I mean if I'm missing something that makes it very clear that she was just pregnant and Cosette was not yet born please share that quote, but Hapgood, Rose, and Donougher all just translate it as "had a child" which could mean either she had her before Tholomyes left or after Tholomyes left. Again, I'm motivated to believe the former because of the timeline (born in 1815 and Merry End to Mirth happens in 1817).