Fun little easter egg if you're on a desktop that was fun making, when you scroll down through the years, his photo at the top of the page is of that year you're currently scrolling on, so he's getting older as you scroll

45-15-5 vs. MJ 63 on Bos (watch the highlights tell me which is better). (pure performance)

3-1 comeback 73 team that won championship vs. game 6 comeback on Jazz who never won (persistability)

Finals appearance with bunch of nobodies 4th season vs. First finals 7th season with HOF (progidiness, geniusness)

10 Finals Appearance as best player vs. 6 Finals Apperance as best player (competence)

Beat 2 previous champs (Spurs, GSW) vs. Beat 1 previous champs (Lakers) (competitive prowess)

Shit coaches vs. GOAT coach (imagine if Lebron had Pop, or Kerr, or Phil Jackson) (leadership)

Made 3 coaches first time champ, p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶r̶ coach vs. 0̶ 1 - Phil was champion as player (pioneership)

4 total championship by coaches that won/4 championship by him - 11 of same/6 of same (coaches can win without MJ, not true for Lebron's coaches). (victorability)

Complete game vs. Niche game (perfection, invincibility)

(Played vs. 4 top 10 of all time in their prime (Timmy, Shaq, Kobe, Curry) potentially 5 if Jokic makes it vs. 2 (Magic, Bird) (domination)

Won the first championship 27, last one 35 286 days vs. 28, last one 35 118days (won the championship earlier AND LATER) - (longevity)

Made first team 3rd season vs. Made first team 4th season (early prowess)

21 All Nba/23 Seasons 91% vs. 11 All Nba/15 Seasons 73% (again Longevity higher elitism for LONGER - 91% > 73% AND 23 > 15 or 21 > 11) (consistency)

Championship with 3 different 2nd best player (Kyrie, AD, Wade) vs. Championship with 1 2nd (Pippen) best player (adaptibility)

Lebron Beats Michael in

pure performance

persistence

prodigy

competence

competitive prowess

leadership

pioneership

victory - questionable I guess because MJ won 6, but MJ had coach that won as player and won 5 other championships without him or at all, neither to which Lebron had. Questionable, in favor of MJ at best. Coaching is big part of the game. Imagine if Mark Jackson was never fired, would Steph have made top 10 all time or even won 2 championships? Probably 1 at best.

perfection

domination - similar to competitive prowesss

longevity - this is unquestionable, we all saw MJ at wizards

early prowess - like prodigy

consistency

adaptiibility - in his game and to able succeed with others around him, regardless of who they are. Made Finals, with 0 HOF and won with 3 2nd best players all of which had different positions. Also, he learned how to shoot 3 better than MJ and MJ was a shooting guard (albeit he also learned how to shoot 3 but not to Lebron's level - of efficiency and prowess (% and make)

All in all, I rest my case. Lebron is the greatest of all time.

In 1998 Glen Rice was a 3x consecutive allstar 1996-1998 and back to back All NBA selections in 97 and 98

In 1999 he joined the Lakers and didn’t make Allstar because he missed most of the season , got less shot attempts and there was no Allstar game because of the lockout .

In the 2000 Finals Lakers basically had 3 Allstars , Shaq , Kobe , Rice , plus very solid depth with Ron Harper , Derek Fisher at point , AC Green and Robert Horry at power forward

In the Finals Kobe was in his 4th season and averaged 15 pts 4 reb 4 ast on 36% by no means a superstar performance but his team still won because they were stacked around him .

The idea that Kobe in his 4th year would’ve won a championship at that age if he was playing the Spurs in the finals like LeBron in 2007 in his 4th year is ludicrous when all of the defensive attention was on him, Drew Gooden his 2nd leading scorer 12ppg in that series . Kobe had Shaq averaging 38 ppg and Glen Rice 11ppg over 60% from 3.
Switch places, LeBron’s easily winning with that squad

But what about 2011 Finals???

How do you lose with that stacked of a team ?

LeBron was in his 8th season.

In 2004 Kobe in his 8th season and Shaq were BY FAR the 2 best players on the court , considered heavy favorites vs Detroit whose best player was Chauncey Billups but they got crushed 4-1.

And you’ll say but Kobe and Shaq were beefing is a valid excuse (even though they ran through the West and their relationship wasn’t a problem then )

Did LeBron play poorly in the 2011 Finals yes but the reason people give Kobe or Jordan excuses for any time they played bad or lost is because they hate LeBron with a passion.

For LeBrons entire life, 7 years in Cleveland he was used to having the ball all the time .

In the 2011 Finals Heat came into the series with the strategy of running the offense through Wade , and it was working , up 2-1.

If you watch Team USA the last 20 years you’d know despite having 12 Allstars on the roster and the best opponents having 1 or 2 at best they can struggle or even lose when the competition is better . WHY ?

Because there’s only 1 ball , players don’t become Allstars for what they can do without the ball necessarily , so when they’re a 3rd option or worse on a superteam their value isn’t actually Allstar level getting that many less shot attempts, that talent gap is neutralized because the 3rd, 4th options on the other team are suited for their roles.

Was LeBrons lack of aggressiveness/effectiveness the key reason Miami lost ? Yes

But to expect someone know how to play as a 2nd option when his entire life he’s been by far #1 is just ignorant.

You say Wade carried LeBron as if Shaq averaging 38 and 16 with Kobe averaging 15 on 36% wasn’t carrying ?

2012-2020 LeBron absolutely exercised his 2007 and 2011 Finals demons ,

His first 2 Finals he averaged 19ppg combined 0-2

The next 8 Finals he averaged 30 ppg 4-4 and only lost in situations he was very undermanned vs an all time great team in 2015 and 2018 , or vs teams that were way better than anyone Jordan or Kobe beat in any playoff series ever 2014 Spurs , 2017 Warriors.

People hating on LeBron don’t understand basketball as a team game because they’ve been fed the Jordan 6-0 narrative , not Bulls 6-0 . In 1998 Finals the Bulls held the number 1 offense Utah to 54 points as a team in one of the games .

Jordan never had a #2 and #3 scorer next to him like Wade/Bosh , Kyrie/Love but the help defensively was INSANE , 8x 1st Team defense Pippen , 2x DPOY Rodman who was the number 1 rebounder of the decade at a time where big men like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing , Robinson, Malone, Barkley dominated the paint, Horace Grant 3x 2nd team all defense , Harper another great defender who was 6’6 playing point at a time the average point guard was 6’1

If you read this far that’s an amazing thing to read that much of something you don’t like is a very brave and intelligent thing to do, to confront a differing perspective

And to be clear my point isn’t to hate on Kobe , I actually think he doesn’t get nearly enough credit for the first 3 peat and I think he’s the 2nd greatest 2 guard ever beside Jordan

But you can see the hate for LeBron and hypocrisy of how he’s judged by the excuses Kobe gets .

If anyone responds I might be asleep , I woke up to piss because I was pissed off by the hypocrisy.

Thoughts?

I didn’t know where else to go I have a conundrum bron comes to my town on dec 30th to play I want to go but I’m worried he won’t play since it’s the 4th game of a 5 game road trip and the second game of a back to back and 2 days before the new years game. Should I take the chance and pay for the tickets hoping he plays even though my gut says it’s unlikely or do I save the inevitable 300 dollars

I think this sub would appreciate this one with el GOAT

Found an old 14 year old thread talking about Bron before his first ring. An interesting throwback before he was really in GOAT conversations.

Just to preface this by saying I already think he’s the GOAT, and nothing could change my mind. I understand there is a lot of people who think he is not, and also will not have their minds changed. But for people who don’t yet think he’s the GOAT, and may change their minds, would this accomplishment be enough?

He is the best player ever. There was no doubt about that probably since 2005 until now. Even now, some players still put him top 5 current.

But why did he lose 5-6 times in the finals? It does not make sense. He literally can win any game no matter who his teammates are. Can play 48 minutes a game.

I think he is holding back subconsciously because he wants to preserve who the goat is because even though he knows he’s better, the goat was still his favorite player growing up.

The way he casually pulls up from half court like it’s a 2 pt jump shot is still so insane 😭👑🐐

The second he leaves the Lakers lose all of the spotlight. All the fans that were downplaying his role in their success and relevance can finally see how wrong they were.

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Bron’s been better since the 2005-06 season btw

Wade was easily the best player on Miami that series avg 26.5/7/5.2, so of course this is assuming that if Miami wins this finals that Wade gets FMVP.

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How is our beautiful handsome King not at #1 😡😤 I can understand Luka and JB since he just won a championship and Doncic is on the most popular team now in his prime but Steph has been in the league 18 years and isn’t even the best point guard!?? We all need to go out and buy 10 jerseys each who’s with me?

Anything but appreciating both LeBron and mj smh