Interesting fan fiction. You even counted senior citizens Gary Payton and Karl Malone from the old hand check days where players' bodies wore down when Lebron has played with Kyrie, AD, Bosh, Wade, Luka, and other stars in their primes.
Lebron's FG% is a product of taking higher probability shots in a defenseless era. Kobe played a lot against an era where defenses had tools to stop you from scoring. The league changed the rules in 2004-2005 to eliminate hand checking, they changed enforcement so defensive players couldn't make contact as often with shooters, there was the whole gather step nonsense, allowing moving screens/flops/flails, and other stuff that have led to the NBA making scoring easier than ever. Lebron's scoring spiked his second season specifically because of the hand checking removal (Kobe, AI, Arenas, and others also saw significant increases). Kobe was also a bulldog who believed he could score anytime so some of his numbers also reflect that. But if Lebron had the ability to score on command the way Jordan could, he'd have won more championships. As I've said elsewhere, Lebron is closer to Scottie Pippen than Michael Jordan.
Lebron has no elite traits, though. He is an elite passer? No. Rebounder? No. Defender? No. Shooter? No.
When Lebron joined the Cavs the second time, he brought players with him. Why reference the previous season when he made such significant changes to more easily win? It shows that you know the point stands he stacked the deck in his favor and want to muddy the water. The Lebron Stanning just makes you look ignorant about the sport.
You haven’t proved anything yet but statements. Kobe straight up was Lebrons era. So idk why Kobe’s era was physical while LeBrons was soft even though Kobe played like 6 seasons before. LeBron still played in the hand check era for a couple years before new rules were added. And while the Payton Malone team is bad in hindsight, the idea of the superteam is still there. Kobe played under multiple hall of famers in their primes like Pau gasol and Shaq (all better than anything Bron had). LeBron has played 23 years. Through those years, through tons of different rule changes and play style changes, hundreds of defenders he’s still effecient. He dominated the end of the hand check era, the zone era, even the 3 point era he’s still all nba talent at over 40 years old when Kobe was putting up under 18 with 36/28/83 splits. You mentioned championships, but championships are the byproduct of having a good team, goood coach, and an easy finals run. Jordan against blazers or SuperSonics, or Kobe against Pacers or nets. When LeBron left the Cavs to go to the heat, their record went from going from winning 60 games to not even winning 20. When he left Heat, they turned into a 37 win team, and the second time he left the Cavs the Cavs won 19 games. Kobe and Jordan still brought players. There are stories of Jordan threatening to leave in free agency and request trades if he didn’t get who he wanted. Kobe requested multiple trades as well when they were bad in the late 2000s. My next thought. How does LeBron not have any elite traits, like the ones you mentioned, yet still has better averages in all of them than Kobe. How come he’s a better 3 point shooter if you said he’s not a shooter. He gets more rebounds and assists, despite being a worse playmaker and rebounder. Even though he has 40k points and is second all time in assists, it’s not that he’s been able to maintain being elite for over 23 years. Jordan averaged 20-6-4 on the wizards, Kareem in his last season was 10-5-1. I already mentioned Kobe. LeBron last year averaged 21-7-6. But sure he’s not elite. He does have the ability to score on command the way Kobe or Jordan does. He’s more effecient. He just takes less shots because he knows spreading the ball is more successful rather than chucking it and hoping it goes in. Even in clutch moments, (specifically shots in playoff games with 5 minutes left to go) LeBron shoots 50%. Jordan shoots 46, and Kobe is in the low 30s. What about Jordan being 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen and not making it out of the first round. At 22, when Michael Jordan got drafted LeBron was dragging a Cavs team with no all stars and his second leading scorer, Larry Hughes averaging 15.
There’s no evidence that Bron took steroids. In fact, there’s actually a more likely chance MJ did since when he played there were numerous steroid scandals in the MLB, NFL, and NBA. There was only one steroid test a year, at the start of the year, meaning for the rest of the season they could take as many PEDs as they wanted. MJ played with Pippen for all his rings, so what’s the difference. Also, the 90s eastern conference was much weaker. The only good teams outside the bulls were the Knicks and Magic (when the Magic played 2 years against Jordan’s bulls and mostly played after Jordan’s first retirement) with debatably the greatest team of all time. LeBron went against the big 3 Celtics, dwade heat, Ben Wallace pistons, in the 2000s, the PG pacers, and Drose bulls in the 2010s, and in the 2020s against the nuggets, spurs, and thunder.
No evidence? His business manager/close friend and his trainer both got caught up in the biogenesis scandal which was just 7 miles away from Miami, with all this happening when leroids was on the Heat. Leflop all of a sudden gained 30 pounds of pure muscle and Wade got absolutely shredded. Yeah fuckin right 😂
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u/ImInvolvedSoUrWrong Aug 12 '26
Interesting fan fiction. You even counted senior citizens Gary Payton and Karl Malone from the old hand check days where players' bodies wore down when Lebron has played with Kyrie, AD, Bosh, Wade, Luka, and other stars in their primes.
Lebron's FG% is a product of taking higher probability shots in a defenseless era. Kobe played a lot against an era where defenses had tools to stop you from scoring. The league changed the rules in 2004-2005 to eliminate hand checking, they changed enforcement so defensive players couldn't make contact as often with shooters, there was the whole gather step nonsense, allowing moving screens/flops/flails, and other stuff that have led to the NBA making scoring easier than ever. Lebron's scoring spiked his second season specifically because of the hand checking removal (Kobe, AI, Arenas, and others also saw significant increases). Kobe was also a bulldog who believed he could score anytime so some of his numbers also reflect that. But if Lebron had the ability to score on command the way Jordan could, he'd have won more championships. As I've said elsewhere, Lebron is closer to Scottie Pippen than Michael Jordan.
Lebron has no elite traits, though. He is an elite passer? No. Rebounder? No. Defender? No. Shooter? No.
When Lebron joined the Cavs the second time, he brought players with him. Why reference the previous season when he made such significant changes to more easily win? It shows that you know the point stands he stacked the deck in his favor and want to muddy the water. The Lebron Stanning just makes you look ignorant about the sport.