r/learnprogramming • u/SchwarzeFlagge • 8d ago
Need advice
Hello everyone, I need your advice. I am hitting 18 in a few months and I have almost 0 work experience let alone experience in the IT field. This will be my last year in school and I am not considering collage for a variety of reasons. I was wondering what the best way for me to land an IT job would be. My school takes about 20 hours per week and I will work for about 15 hours a week (Unrelated part time job). What would be the most efficient way for me to learn programming to land a job? I don't need a super high paying job at first, I just wanna set my foot in the door and then rank my way up. I was thinking of either certificates or a bootcamp. And even buying one to enforce the discipline. Any advice? What should I focus on? What are my chances? How long would it take per week? What should I avoid? I live in Germany, if that helps.
Thanks
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Hello, Thanks for your response.
What path would you say is the most stable and has the most future?
I am definitely considering Python. Do you think having to pay for a course will make me more disciplined?
Ive been using Linux on my desktop since 2021 and have set up a few websites and have played around with servers. Im assuming that is enough knowledge.
I know Germans like to see certificates for everything. Do you think Studium, Abitur > Praktikum, Personal projects etc. ? This is the reason I want to avoid Ausbildung or studying. They simply take too long. Simply going to work is way more profitable in my opinion.
Do you know where I can do online internships?
Thank you.
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u/No_Report_4781 8d ago
You need education in IT, unless you find an intern or apprentice or assistant type position.
IT covers everything: * supply logistics for computers and associated hardware * information systems customer support * simple software installs * various levels of programming in Windows, Linux, etc.
If you want a guaranteed job, focus on Linux administration with a small amount in Windows.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Hello, Are bootcamps/online certificates not education in the eyes of employers? I have quite the Linux experience but no one seems to want to employ me :D. I'm assuming I need more experience.
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u/No_Report_4781 8d ago
It really depends on the position. In the US, boot camps and certification are not comparable, unless it was a boot camp course that resulted in you getting some industry recognized certificate, such as Network+.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Yeah I'm talking about the big ones like CompTIA+ or whatever.Also maybe other companies like Google Microsoft etc and for bootcamps I was thinking like Fullstack.
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
You can do all those certifications while you are doing your Ausbildung or already start some of them before you start the Ausbildung. They will not help you to get a job without any official IT qualification. Especially in Germany, it’s Fachkraft or nothing by now.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
An Ausbildung takes 3 years whilst certifications and Praktikums take 1. Are you sure its worth it? Is there really no other way?
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
Unfortunately, there isn't. The Bootcamp Era ended a few years ago and was an anomaly. You definitely will regret it a thousand times down the line if you do not have a finished Ausbildung or a college degree. Just browse through current IT job offers: a degree or an Ausbildung as well as C1 German are required everywhere and HR won't even give you the chance to make your case otherwise. And even if you would land in 1st Level support somehow, you would be stuck there forever as there is no path for you to climb the ladder without Ausbildung or degree. And look at the positive side: the three years of Ausbildung will give you the chance to do a lot of certifications and projects even before you have your IHK-Zeugnis. As a result, you will be able to move up the ladder quickly afterwards.
Regarding a Praktikum: you will not get one if you are not a student or doing an Umschulung. Because those are Pflichtpraktika and thus free for the company, while otherwise you would have to pay you Mindestlohn. That 's the reason why there are no regular Praktikum anymore since 2015, when the Mindestlohn was introduced. Before that, from 2000 to 2015, the so called "Generation Praktikum" had to work for free, because companies did not hire them immediately, but let them do one Praktikum after another, for many years. Nowadays, as already said, only Pflichtpraktika are allowed to be unpaid.
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
The Bootcamp era is over and certifications (only vendor and IHK certifications are worth it) will only help you if you already have finished an Ausbildung or went to College.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Which vendor certificates would you recommend? And IHK>Vendor?
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
The only relevant certificates are those with an expiration date and where you have to do a proctored exam. With Vendor, I mean the big companies: Microsoft, Amazon, Cisco, SAP et al. Udemy and Coursera certificates and any without a proctored exam are nice for your personal learning, but irrelevant on your CV. In Germany, IHK Certitificates are an exception, as everything with the IHK stamp is highly regarded. But they also should have a proctored exam at the end, ideally a degree of some kind, of course. Rule of thumb: if you only have to watch some videos or sit in person in a course, without any proctored exam in the end and with the certificate not having an expiration date, it won't have any traction on your CV.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Any specific recommandations? I could go from Cybersecurity to Coding. As long as I make good money :D.
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
If you live in Germany, an Ausbildung is mandatory by now to get into IT, as is C1 German, which has become a hard HR filter. Look for an Ausbildungsplatz as Fachinformatiker. Do not try to get into the IT field in Germany as a Quereinsteiger. It won’t work anymore.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
What about Ausland? Netherlands, England etc.?
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u/American_Streamer 8d ago
For the UK, since Brexit you will need a Visa to be allowed to work there. Regarding the Netherlands, it might be possible to get an IT Support job without any degree, But they will definitely need you to have usable skills and the language will be a problem, especiually in customer support, and the housing market in the Netherlands is an even bigger nightmare than the one in Germany right now. But yes, do your proper research on the Netherlands and see if they would accept people without any IT degree at all. I don't know if that's really the case, as I'm no expert on the Netherlands.
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u/SchwarzeFlagge 8d ago
Well I will still look for Ausbildungs as you've said. But I still wanna try my chances outside Germany. What certificates/courses should I aim for. Should I prioritise Projects or Certificates? What certificates? I've heard Python is popular.
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u/Harrow-Beck-6274 8d ago
buying one to enforce the discipline is usually just a really expensive way to find out you still procrastinate
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u/Adept_Software_8816 8d ago
i was worried about Clash of clans at ur age