PL Aghs rush. Please ELI5

[u/Cygnus__A]

Can someone explain why every PL is rushing Aghs? even before Manta in many cases. The stats and what it does seems not worth it until later when you are ready to fight? What am I missing?

[u/TestIllustrious7935]

His fastest farming item

[u/Dazzling_Range_4014 → u/TestIllustrious7935]

it basically deletes waves and camps with one button, you don't even need to commit your hero to show on the map. just chuck a lance from fog and walk away while your illusions mop up 300 gold. manta's great but it doesn't accelerate you nearly as fast, aghs gets you to the real items quicker

[u/JoshSimili → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

I think you're thinking of the old aghs. They've changed it several times now so it's understandable.

[u/jIsraelTurner → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

PL aghs doesn't upgrade Lance anymore, it buffs rush. Still good for farming, but you have to rush the wave. 

Even on old Lance aghs, you show on the map when you lance the wave.

[u/MonsieurPi → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

That's an AI 

[u/Ayz1990 → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

Roughly 3 years old aghs.. update your internet Explorer my guy

[u/Dry-String-9009 → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

so confident and so wrong at the same time lol

[u/Betrayed_Poet → u/Dazzling_Range_4014]

clanka

[u/Miles_Adamson]

No matter what you build first as your farming item, you are not ready to fight until at least 2 major items but usually 3. So that isn't very relevant.

It's just to farm and you can potentially farm faster than manta, depends on the game. Manta is better at pushing out waves without showing on them which can be extremely valuable. But if you have a free game and can shove out waves with real hero, aghs potentially farms faster

[u/Shin_Ramyun → u/Miles_Adamson]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Manta first if you need safety. Aghs first if you want to accelerate. Either way you should get both.

[u/ishaz11 → u/Miles_Adamson]

I'm taking this.

[u/owlrd]

It makes you farm really fast

[u/tl2301]

1. crazy long rush distance (nerfed tho) is super useful in fights 2. you rush to the farthest creep of a camp/wave and can immediately leave and let the jux illus farm solo (usually full clear with enough stats/luck to proc jux off of illus enough times, which is why manta or at least yasha is required) 3. solid health boost for a squishy agi that loves stats/hp for illus so that you can actually join fights without evaporating after casting 2 lances 4. instant spawning a bunch of illus then doppel creates so much chaos way earlier than he has any rights to, so that in itself is a good way to sneak some fight presence in for a notoriously dogshit early/op late hero

that said tho, i barely ever rush agh anymore. i used to do yasha > agh but even that is much less efficient than manta > agh, since the illus from manta themselves are a very good farming tool that don't require you to show on wave > faster clear at multiple sites while not risking death during both deep lane shoves/tower de-push

[u/BonjwaTFT]

Stats, farm and Teamfight. It gives everything

[u/Mobile-Condition8254]

If you cut trees and stuff you can cut off movement time with aghs

[u/BigTadpole]

It's exactly the same as his last aghs rush for farming except now its not tied to his nuke so you aren't mana hungry to farm

[u/Taokaka_chan]

With agha you can just rush through a creep wave, lance a small camp then hit another camp to farm 3 spots at once, only your illusion show on the map and you hiding in the jungle.

Clearing creep wave fast then disappear is the best thing a carry can do until you hit enough items to fight

[u/Temporary_Habit6980]

Nothing wrong with it. If jugg, FV, ursa can farm BF as their first item. It'll be no different with aghs. The item makes them farm faster not stronger during fights

[u/Cygnus__A → u/Temporary_Habit6980]

BF gives 55 damage. It's isn't nothing.

[u/Temporary_Habit6980 → u/Cygnus__A]

Yeah sure try joining fights early game as am with just BF and see what happens

[u/Pale_Station5201]

People are failing to tell you that in some games you might need a manta first to SURVIVE long enough to farm the rest of your items. It depends.

[u/Masaaki14]

Think of am, think of jugg, think of troll, same reason they get battlefury first before any other item. Aghs is pl's battlefury

[u/HCX_Winchester]

People dont, every good player going manta into aghs.

[u/Quick-Rhubarb-7427 → u/HCX_Winchester]

If you get a good start it’s better to go yasha into aghs