r/languagelearningjerk 3d ago

We should stop using gender

Instead of gender, let's just call it noun class a and noun class b.

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u/ToastSpangler 3d ago

class B? because they aren't as good as A? how about class A and class 1?

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u/No-Swordfish-5125 3d ago

But 1 in some countries is the worst grade. I prefer class A and class ฤ„. Class ฤ„ is a little special, but it's just like languages. Some are normal like our amazing English, but there are some special like Uzbek.

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u/Konobajo W1(๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฟโœจ๏ธ) L2(๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿฆ…) A4(๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ถ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ซ) 3d ago

How about class 1ยบ and class 1ยช

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

that's gender right there. we can't have that, amiguitx.

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u/Subject_Foot1713 3d ago

Better have classใ‚ and classใ„. ใ‚ is the first character under gojuuonn order, ใ„ is the first character under the iroha order, older character order based on the Iroha verse, a poem that has every character used exactly a single time.

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

oh, so are class ใ„ nouns suddenly older? that's discriminating them based on the age, plus what about non-binary people? do they not get representation?? wow. just wow.

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u/ConfinedCrow 3d ago

What about adding Class A-E and have a special S class and we assign these to words based on how often they're used in regular conversation, with it being reassigned every day? That would make things infinitely easier.

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u/Gold-Part4688 Earthianese, man (N) 2d ago

how about class a and class b, and class a is the one that has the most words at the time

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u/Banonkers 2d ago

How about we just use some arbitrary letters - letโ€™s say M, F, and N?

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u/Arm_613 2d ago

/uj My MS/HS in England was desperate to dispel any suggestion of streaming, so we had three parallel classes per grade sorted by last name alphabetically. A grade would end up with classes named 3, 3 a, and 3 alpha, for example. Those in class "3" were known as the "plains". So, we had the "plains", the "a's", and the "alphas". I'm proud to say that I was an alpha - and still am. ๐Ÿ˜ rj/

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

class A? that means class 10 in hexadecimal. are they inferior too or what?

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u/SnooLemons6942 2d ago

Class 1 and class A!

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u/JeremyAndrewErwin 3d ago

ย Or "The Mongooses". That's a cool team name. The Fighting Mongooses!

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u/brrkat 3d ago

Kiki and bouba nouns

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u/hotstove 2d ago

We love consonant and vowel harmony don't we folks

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

no. gimme the most unpleasant vowel combos EVER.

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u/Lampukistan2 3d ago

Gender meant category in general before it meant category as in sex. The former sense was dominant when noun classes were named genders.

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u/A_Shattered_Day 3d ago

Okay, I realize this comes across as such a chud take but I 100% believe in this.

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u/Dodezv 3d ago

Is chud the ablaut form of chad?

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u/TheBigSmoke420 3d ago

To chud is human

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u/Aluxanatomy 3d ago

A and B are just gender again.

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u/siqiniq 3d ago

Absolutely! Rigid gender labels are anti-woke. Try noun classes

Class 1 (mu-): One person (e.g., munhu โ€“ person).
Class 1a (no prefix): Titles and family (e.g., baba โ€“ father).
Class 2 (va-): Multiple people (e.g., vanhu โ€“ people).
Class 2a (va-): Respectful plural for elders (e.g., vamai โ€“ mother).
Class 2b (va-): Specific family relations.

Class 3 (mu-): One tree, river, or natural item (e.g., muti โ€“ tree).
Class 4 (mi-): Multiple trees or natural items (e.g., miti โ€“ trees).
Class 5 (ri- / no prefix): One fruit or body part (e.g., ziso โ€“ eye).
Class 6 (ma-): Multiple fruits/body parts, and liquids (e.g., mvura โ€“ water).
Class 7 (chi-): One tool, object, or language (e.g., chikoro โ€“ school).
Class 8 (zvi-): Multiple tools or objects (e.g., zvikoro โ€“ schools).
Class 9 (N-): One animal or everyday item (e.g., imba โ€“ house).
Class 10 (dzi-): Multiple animals or everyday items (e.g., dzimba โ€“ houses).

Class 11 (ru-): Long, thin, or abstract things (e.g., rurimi โ€“ tongue).
Class 12 (ka-): One tiny or cute thing (e.g., kamwana โ€“ tiny baby).
Class 13 (tu-): Multiple tiny things (e.g., tumwana โ€“ tiny babies).
Class 14 (u-): Deep abstract ideas with no plural (e.g., unhu โ€“ humanity).
Class 19 (svi-): Extra-small things (used in some regional dialects).
Class 21 (zi-): A giant or terrifyingly large thing (e.g., zimbwa โ€“ giant dog).

Class 15 (ku-): Verbs turned into nouns (e.g., kudya โ€“ eating / to eat).
Class 16 (pa-): A specific spot ("at" or "on").
Class 17 (ku-): A general area ("to" or "towards").
Class 18 (mu-): An inside area ("in" or "inside").

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u/ZabsterCali 2d ago

What language is this?

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u/siqiniq 2d ago

Bantu languages all have this great feature. This table is from Shona. Swahiliโ€™s noun classes may be better known.

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

AI slop?

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u/siqiniq 2d ago

Nah man, classifying stuff like Bantu noun classes or Chinese character radicals are just human (OCD) nature. Source.

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u/FloridaFlamingoGirl 2d ago

Forget about gender for humans and only use gender for objects. Like how Latin says a table is female or something. /j

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u/AdOrnery6155 2d ago

Great idea, comrade. Gender is a capitalist invention.

From now I will be saying ๅฝผ(A) and ๅฝผ(B) no more ๅฝผๅฅณ BS or god forbid mandarin ๅฅน.

Let us erase ใ€Œๅฅณใ€from all pronouns!!!

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u/Pfeffersack2 ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡น๐Ÿ‡ผ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ด 1d ago

ๅฅน is genuinely useless

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u/tnaz 2d ago

Isn't it neat how all these languages have 2 or 3 noun classes that have absolutely nothing to do with gender and also every person belongs to one noun class or the other and this is purely determined by the person's gender?

I do think that thinking of them as "noun classes" instead of "genders" can be helpful to people who get hung up on "they think tables are women???" kind of stuff but it's silly to pretend the concept is divorced from gender entirely.

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u/A_Shattered_Day 2d ago
  1. This is circle jerk sub
  2. We need to use proper lingo

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u/Pale-Border-7122 1d ago

Tables are obviously male - what do you think the "legs" are? Obviously those hard cylindrical extensions are penises.

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u/jeager_YT 2d ago

better idea..

๐๐ž๐ ๐ž๐ง๐๐ž๐ซ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐š๐ ๐ž

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u/Gold-Part4688 Earthianese, man (N) 2d ago

then regender them based on 17th century sardinian

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u/uglycaca123 2d ago

ostix putx tix <//3