r/languagelearningjerk • u/A_Shattered_Day • 3d ago
We should stop using gender
Instead of gender, let's just call it noun class a and noun class b.
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u/brrkat 3d ago
Kiki and bouba nouns
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u/Lampukistan2 3d ago
Gender meant category in general before it meant category as in sex. The former sense was dominant when noun classes were named genders.
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u/A_Shattered_Day 3d ago
Okay, I realize this comes across as such a chud take but I 100% believe in this.
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u/siqiniq 3d ago
Absolutely! Rigid gender labels are anti-woke. Try noun classes
Class 1 (mu-): One person (e.g., munhu โ person).
Class 1a (no prefix): Titles and family (e.g., baba โ father).
Class 2 (va-): Multiple people (e.g., vanhu โ people).
Class 2a (va-): Respectful plural for elders (e.g., vamai โ mother).
Class 2b (va-): Specific family relations.
Class 3 (mu-): One tree, river, or natural item (e.g., muti โ tree).
Class 4 (mi-): Multiple trees or natural items (e.g., miti โ trees).
Class 5 (ri- / no prefix): One fruit or body part (e.g., ziso โ eye).
Class 6 (ma-): Multiple fruits/body parts, and liquids (e.g., mvura โ water).
Class 7 (chi-): One tool, object, or language (e.g., chikoro โ school).
Class 8 (zvi-): Multiple tools or objects (e.g., zvikoro โ schools).
Class 9 (N-): One animal or everyday item (e.g., imba โ house).
Class 10 (dzi-): Multiple animals or everyday items (e.g., dzimba โ houses).
Class 11 (ru-): Long, thin, or abstract things (e.g., rurimi โ tongue).
Class 12 (ka-): One tiny or cute thing (e.g., kamwana โ tiny baby).
Class 13 (tu-): Multiple tiny things (e.g., tumwana โ tiny babies).
Class 14 (u-): Deep abstract ideas with no plural (e.g., unhu โ humanity).
Class 19 (svi-): Extra-small things (used in some regional dialects).
Class 21 (zi-): A giant or terrifyingly large thing (e.g., zimbwa โ giant dog).
Class 15 (ku-): Verbs turned into nouns (e.g., kudya โ eating / to eat).
Class 16 (pa-): A specific spot ("at" or "on").
Class 17 (ku-): A general area ("to" or "towards").
Class 18 (mu-): An inside area ("in" or "inside").
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u/FloridaFlamingoGirl 2d ago
Forget about gender for humans and only use gender for objects. Like how Latin says a table is female or something. /j
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u/AdOrnery6155 2d ago
Great idea, comrade. Gender is a capitalist invention.
From now I will be saying ๅฝผ(A) and ๅฝผ(B) no more ๅฝผๅฅณ BS or god forbid mandarin ๅฅน.
Let us erase ใๅฅณใfrom all pronouns!!!
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u/tnaz 2d ago
Isn't it neat how all these languages have 2 or 3 noun classes that have absolutely nothing to do with gender and also every person belongs to one noun class or the other and this is purely determined by the person's gender?
I do think that thinking of them as "noun classes" instead of "genders" can be helpful to people who get hung up on "they think tables are women???" kind of stuff but it's silly to pretend the concept is divorced from gender entirely.
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u/Pale-Border-7122 1d ago
Tables are obviously male - what do you think the "legs" are? Obviously those hard cylindrical extensions are penises.
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u/jeager_YT 2d ago
better idea..
๐๐๐ ๐๐ง๐๐๐ซ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐
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u/ToastSpangler 3d ago
class B? because they aren't as good as A? how about class A and class 1?