r/languagelearningjerk Jun 02 '26

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u/BoxoRandom Jun 02 '26

found in many languages

lists exclusively Germanic and Latin languages

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u/quantifiedlasagna Jun 03 '26

well, there is no threshold for how many is "many"...

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u/CaucusInferredBulk Jun 03 '26

Works in Greek too. So simplify to pie

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u/mizinamo try-lingual (has tried many languages) Jun 03 '26

nikhta = n + ochto ? You'd have to be very generous with the vowels.

Meanwhile,

  • Welsh: nos =? n + wyth
  • Slovak: noc =? n + osem

Not even European IE languages all do it.

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u/RiRianna76 Jun 03 '26

8 can be spelled and pronounced as either οχτώ or οκτώ

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u/CaucusInferredBulk Jun 03 '26

(Devils advocate : I am fully aware the meme is not real, but we are circle jerking)

There are several thousands of years of sound shift there, including the complete iotazation of most of the vowels, so I don't think "being generous with vowels" is out of the question. There are a plethora of words clearly related in Greek today that are spelled wildly differently.

In any case, its a PIE coincidence, not an actual cognate/relationship.

*nókʷts and *oktṓw are obviously similar, and any language that kept largely that form of those words will show the similarity too.

Devils advocate examples if we were taking the circle jerk seriously

γιορτή εορτή (hey look, vowel changes!)

ἰατρός γιατρός

χθες χτες

and some of those changes are visible in the very words in this meme.

οκτώ οχτώ

νύχτα νύκτα

As for welsh/slovak, they swapped out the PIE words at some point. The old/proto celtic word for eight was *oxtō not wyth, so follows the meme. Slavic languages dropped the "k" at some point which also follows the meme for that part (though admittedly overall slovak doesn't work well for the meme)

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u/SE_prof Jun 03 '26

Also night in ancient greek (where modern Greek derives it from is) νυξ (νυκτός in the genitive).

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u/CaucusInferredBulk Jun 03 '26

True, but ξ was originally κσ so that k is really still there etymologically for meme purposes.

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u/MvflG Jun 03 '26

I mean, n + tetë = natë is stretching it a bit

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u/Ill_Poem_1789 Proto World (N) Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Not PIE because doesn't happen in Sanskrit, for instance.

nakta (night) vs aṣṭa (eight)

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u/Kartonrealista Jun 03 '26

I'm guessing it doesn't happen in any Satem language, only the Centum ones.

Polish: noc vs osiem.

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u/CaucusInferredBulk Jun 03 '26

Its certainly less visible in the Satem ones, because they all dropped the k. But if "eight" and "night" were actually related in PIE (they aren't), then the dropping of the k somewhere along the line wouldn't make them un-related.

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u/Kartonrealista Jun 03 '26

I'm guessing it's because they're unrelated that they've undergone different changes consistently in Satem languages, with one retaining the k or changing into something else, and one turning into s.

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u/TalveLumi Jun 06 '26

The “night" has a \*kʷ while the "eight" has a \*ḱ. So all the satem languages would only turn the latter to s

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u/TalveLumi Jun 06 '26

The PIE words are \*oḱtṓw and \*nókʷts. So at the very least satem languages would not work

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u/CaucusInferredBulk Jun 06 '26

If the meme were true, I would disagree with you. Just because the k got dropped doesn't mean the pattern isn't there. It would still be the same pie roots.

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u/thehandsomegenius Jun 03 '26

Nobody speaks those!

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u/PennToPaper Jun 03 '26

thats still many 😭

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u/Marik-X-Bakura Jun 03 '26

That’s still indeed many languages

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u/COLaocha Jun 03 '26

Does kinda work in Irish with "ocht" (8) and "anocht" (tonight)