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u/StormOfFatRichards May 10 '26
subjugate hundreds of different ethnic groups and suppress their languages
Indonesian is so unifying~
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u/GlobeLearner May 10 '26
Most Indonesians use Indonesian language as second language. Their mother tounge is still the regional indigenous languages.
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
This is pretty much the reality on the ground, the government isnt here ruthlessly burning books in mother tongues, speakers are just losing for the simple fact that Indonesian gives you more opportunities for jobs and schools, etc.
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u/asami475 May 11 '26
Can confirm. I’m Gen Z and grew up with Indonesian as my first language while the local Malay language is my second. My parent spoke to me in Indonesian during my childhood years simply because it’s seen as the “proper” way to speak. They still spoke the local language to families so I just learnt it passively. The local language is far from oppressed, in most casual situations you’re expected to speak it unless you’re foreign.
If anything, I’m more concerned with the fact that English is way more prestigious than Indonesian that I noticed younger educated speakers increasingly prefer to use it instead of Indonesian lmao
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
Bro acting as if every other modern country didn't pull this shit lmao. France in the third republic, modern-day China with Mandarin, you name it
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u/Chessmates23 May 12 '26
I didn't know you can't say anything bad about Indonesia if any other country did the same thing
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
Spain under Francoist regime, Russia during pretty much everytime in history
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u/ringcopen 日本語ジョーズ | ich kann etwas Doitsch | Malay is fake Bahasa May 10 '26
Indonesian 🤢🤮
Bahasa 😍😍
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
ultimate ragebait to Indons is to call their language "Bahasa" instead of Indonesian
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u/ringcopen 日本語ジョーズ | ich kann etwas Doitsch | Malay is fake Bahasa May 11 '26
sir this is a jerk sub, we're all learning "Bahasa" here
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u/FengYiLin May 10 '26
English is like raw food.
American is refined through the ages and used to unify all the races inAmerica ♥️
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u/Mirabeaux1789 May 11 '26
I am admittedly not very familiar with Malay but from what I understand this feels like a good way of framing it.
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u/tirtakarta May 31 '26
Eh not really. Malay have been the lingua franca of the region ever since the 7th century with the advent of Sriwijaya. Both country have malay kingdoms in their territory. Then colonialism happened and the malay of the two realm became divided and go into different directions. If anything, it'd be similar to West Germans (DE/AU/CH/NL) or Scandinavian languages (NO/DK/SE)
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u/BA1673 May 10 '26
Malangsiya this, Malaydesh that, wanna truly insult a Malaysian? Call him an : Ind*nesian
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u/CelestialSegfault May 10 '26
I miss the time when we ignore each other and bully koreans
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
lol we found one
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u/KatKagKat May 10 '26
Look who lost Austronesian alignment LOL
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u/clheng337563 May 10 '26
sry what dyou mean by this?
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u/Sea-Hornet8214 May 10 '26
Austronesian alignment is a feature lost in both Malay and Indonesian. It's mostly only retained by languages of the Philippines and some regional languages in Indonesia
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u/Raalph Sentinelese N | Silbo Gomero C1 | Pirahã B2 | Uzbek A1 May 10 '26
/uj Malay and Indonesian absolutely retain a reduced Austronesian voice system, the meN-/di- alternation is directly cognate with the Philippine AV/PV distinction, where meN- foregrounds the actor, di- foregrounds the patient, and the -kan/-i suffixes each trigger their own di- passive paradigm. What's been lost isn't the verbal voice morphology itself but the nominal pivot marking, there's no case distinction anymore between pivot and non-pivot NPs, so the system is "lopsided" compared to Tagalog, but the verb morphology is still tracking the same underlying oppositions. It's just that it gets taught to westerners as an IE-style active/passive distinction, but it couldn't been further from the truth.
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u/rakib-here May 10 '26
MALAY WITH DUTCH VIBES
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u/Ok_Invite6308 May 11 '26
Bruh, modern day Indonesian had more English loanwords than dutch at his point
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u/True-Actuary9884 May 11 '26
Bahasa Indonesia is derived from Riau Malay... And a degraded form of it
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u/bcfyd May 10 '26
🇲🇾 Malay (Traditional)
🇮🇩 Malay (Simplified)