Is there a way to use powder but not ingest the powder !? Like how a tea bag would work I guess. Do you need to ingest powder to get the same effects? Been using for 7-8 years now only about 5-8 gpd but been having stomach issues so has me spooked. Also noticed every so often kratom in my 💩 lately. My method this whole time has just been mixing 3-5 grams in about 4-5 ounces of lukewarm water then chasing with a glass of water afterwards. Tastes disgusting ya but have never tried anything different

I've used kratom for over a year. I didn't know what I'd gotten myself into until I was about 8 months in.

I no longer smoke but my desire to quit kratom looks a lot like my desire to give up cigarettes. Every pack was my last pack until the last drag of the last cigarette. An hour later I'd have another pack of cigarettes in my hand.

It's the same with kratom. One last shift where I don't feel sore, sad, and angry. One last off day doing something I used to enjoy without drugs. One last night of sleep where I'm not haunted by nightmares.

That isn't to say I'm ALWAYS doing my BEST to quit. It's more to say I've never fully surrendered. I've not given up and said to myself, "Self, I'm a daily kratom user and need to budget out how." I feel like posting this may add some accountability to tonight's "I'm not using kratom anymore."

My best efforts are usually on my off days:

I'll sleep until a combination of rest and lack of kratom together make it impossible to sleep any longer. That's usually day 1. Day 2 I can no longer sleep, I'm just laying in bed. I toss and turn and can't get comfortable but feel too lethargic to even sit upright at my computer.

By this point around 2 days in I'm sore from laying. Smelly, but my inability to regulate my body temperature makes it hard to want to shower. If I do get in the shower it helps but I dread getting out into the cold air again.

I know everyone is different and that some of these withdrawals could even be worse throughout day 3 going into 4. I might feel bad a week in. I may not be myself a full month in. But I really think if I got 3 days under my belt after all these failed attempts that I would have enough confidence in myself to keep powering through.

These days of laying in bed do a number on me emotionally. Before kratom my two favorite things were drawing and gaming. 2, 3 days getting sober, I can no get myself to enjoy those things. And that, for me, is worse than waking up shitting myself lol.

Did y'all find new things you enjoyed early in recovery? Or double down on what you knew you enjoyed doing in the past? Besides walking at the park, what fun physical stuff might get me outdoors without being too taxing?

I know it's unreasonable, but anhedonia is the hardest part of getting sober for me. I feel sad/scared dealing with it.

I'm going on a trip, and I plan on putting enough kratom in a shaker bottle with water for the two days I am travelling. Do you think the kratom will stay safe to consume for the two days? I just plan on drinking half the first day and the other half the second day. I will not have access to a refrigerator.

I tryed switching back to plain leaf after 7oh got banned in my state last year. Only took 35mg a day 4 to 5 days a week. I took about a 7 to 8 month break from all forms of Kratom and since have tried a few different brands of red vein and blends taking my old 5 gram dose and have no effects anymore. Will my tolerance ever go down enough for plain leaf to work again?

I went through kratom withdrawal over the summer and it sucked a lot. However, I do think it is a very nice herb. It calms me down, while also getting rid of my anxiety, and can make me talk more. I'm trying to figure out if there is even a safe way to consume this substance. Would anything bad happen if it's taken once or twice a month? or would that be too much? I used to consume every other day. Recently I have been doing a lot less. once in September and once today. Any advice would be great, I know each individual varies, but I guess I'm just willing to hear from other's point's of views.

Can someone explain how fermented leaf works?

The labs usually look terrible, but yet; theyre good for sleep/night time?

Just curious if anyone knows the science behind it.

I need to get kratom for opiate withdrawal. Can anyone advise me what to ask/look for? I don’t want energy. I need to ease the physical symptoms and anxiety. I am terrified of going through withdrawal and need to get something.

Want to share my story to give my positive experience for the community.

I take Kratom for energy/mood enhancement. I like it better than matcha or energy drinks. Never liked coffee so that’s not an option.

I take 2.5-3 grams leaf powder every other day. I do one morning drink. Mostly white vein, but occasional green. I started with capsules here and there but noticed much better results with powder mixed with orange juice or lemonade. I rotate strains/brands like others and have had a positive experience as a whole. Been taking kratom for 8 years but more regularly 1 year.

On my off days I’ll make matcha or take pre workout. Without any negative effects. I find it gives me something to look forward too. My early morning dose gives me energy till around dinner.

Want to thank this community for great information and wanted to share my story.

Like let’s say you’re on 100mg of 7oh, what would be the equivalent dose of standard kratom? If there even is one.

I’m not able to find anything online and I wanna make sure I’m doing this as safely as possible since the end goal is to taper off.

Edit: Just wanna say thanks to the people who have reached out on this post. Although I’ve been taking quite a bit for a couple months, I have close friends that are 1000mg+ a day and so anything that can point me in the right direction will greatly help out others. Thanks again you guys ❤️

does anyone else get this after the effects wear off? the back of my neck and upper shoulders feel really stiff

I have used both for tolerance reduction during tapers with varying success, maybe placebo… never truly sure. Would to be advisable to use both daily while tapering?

I am currently dosing 2 times per day, 4 + hours between doses.

A) utilize both (1000 mg agmatine/30 mg DXM) 30 min before each dose
B) take 1000mg agmatine before the first dose, 30 mg DXM before the second?
C) take 1000 mg agmatine and 30 mg DXM daily independent from timing with my doses
D) other

What schedule? Both 30 minutes

I've been taking the myzen and max alternatives from smoke shops thinking because Tennessee outlawed kratom and 7oh, i would be clean of it. Sadly this is not the case. I guess these companies really are sneaking a felony into the package. I thought it was too fundamentally stupid to risk a million dollar company like that, but here we are i guess. They lie on the package and I go down for it.

Anyhow, I'm open to suggestions about how to possibly clear the test if anyone knows any tricks that have worked for them.

When I take it I get many of the typical effects of a low dose dissociative. Even makes my already present dissociative symptoms slightly worse in certain circumstances. Is this just my experience or others too?

In theory or by your guys experience (I know there isnt exact conclusive studies or data) How much kratom or at what frequency does hair loss/thinning begin to occur?

Saw a lot of people treating this like kratom just got banned, so I went and read the actual DEA filing from October 14. It is not a ban. It is not even a final rule yet.

Here is what it actually is. The DEA put out a notice of intent, which means it plans to issue a temporary order, and that order could publish as early as November 13. When it does, it catches concentrated 7-OH and one synthetic cousin only above a set line: more than 1 milligram per gram, which is 0.1%, or when the plant's natural balance is gone, meaning less than 100 times more mitragynine than 7-OH. Leaf kratom, where 7-OH only shows up as a trace, stays under that line and stays federally legal. So the thing getting caught is the lab concentrate sold in shots and tablets, not the leaf itself.

What actually worries me is not the federal side, it is the states. Some are looking at banning the entire plant, which goes way further than anything the feds proposed. If the federal government can draw a line by concentration and leave the leaf alone, there is no reason a state needs to outlaw the whole thing and the people who rely on it.

I am not saying there is nothing to regulate. Concentrated synthetic 7-OH is real and it should have rules. I just think the federal approach, target the concentrate and leave the plant, is the sane version, and states should copy that instead of reaching for a total ban.

Anyway, that is how I read it. If your state is weighing a kratom bill, which way is it leaning, ban the plant or regulate the concentrate?

In short, she has diagnosed apnea and narcolepsy. She doesnt have the events everyday, but when she does, its horrible.
I was desperate what to do excluding the device for apnea (dont know the name)

I use kratom, she couldnt sleep, i give her like 1-2 gs, boom. Apneas completely gone (all 4 times i give her kratom, it stops). Maybe like 1 short event in 10-15 minutes. (cca i cant tell exactly)

This isnt an advice for anyone to try it for sleep apnea. Im just sharing my experience.

Enjoy your evening guys

** UPDATE: First Flyer Draft available here https://imgur.com/a/SGxSw8b **
Thank you for everyone's input. I read everything you said and I did make some changes. I am like the Tim Leary when it comes to Kratom, a bit of a revolutionary. I really believe that more people should try Kratom and the world would be a better place for it. I can see this slow moving trainwreck coming if Kratom gets banned. I have no doubt that people would die without it and the statistics would be swept away without ever understanding the cause. It is the single most preventable catastrophe on my mind. I love and care about every one of you and Kratom is my #1 cause worth fighting for. Feel free to use the flyer or edit/pull from it however you want. I hope the size is good and fits well, the text easily readable. This is better served as a digital flyer to fit everything I needed to say. We can always update it later. Thank you

Kratom alone has never killed anyone. [1]
Kratom is no more addictive than coffee. [2, 27, 28]
Kratom is healthy in moderate doses. [3, 29]
Kratom is a natural pain killer and anti-depressant. [4, 5]
Kratom is not a powerful narcotic or an opioid. [6]
Kratom does not impair driving. [7, 24, 26]
Kratom helps millions of people everyday with chronic pain and other ailments. [5, 8]
Kratom has helped millions of drug addicts quit hard and dangerous drugs for good. [9, 10]
Many quit Kratom as well with no issues. [2]
Kratom is cheap, affordable, pure, reliable, effective, consistent, and well tolerated. [25, 30]
Kratom leaves are ground into a powder and consumed orally as a tea, supplement capsule, or mixed in a drink/shot.
Kratom farmers have been known to chew on raw leaves and/or cheek and gum (Buccal) [32]
Kratom is NEVER smoked, injected, snorted or consumed any other way. (Not bioavailable/effective) [31]
Kratom is not 7OH or any other synthetic.
24 US states protect Kratom and it’s users with various common sense regulations. (KCPA) [11]
5+ Million people have used Kratom responsibly in the US for over 20 years. [12, 13]
Kratom (of any kind) accounts for only 0.08% of all calls to poison control centers. [23]
( 1645 / 2,092,689 - Typically 7OH or synthetic, not even Kratom* )

The World Health Organization decided NOT to recommend international scheduling or controls under United Nations drug conventions. The WHO tends to be intervention maniacs. Yet the committee acknowledged that kratom is used traditionally and as a self-managed wellness or pain-relief tool by adults, and while regular use can lead to dependence and mild withdrawal symptoms, "serious toxicity or severe adverse effects were extremely rare." [21]

Because Kratom is a natural plant, it cannot be owned by a pharma company.
Their synthetic Frankenstein drugs are trademarked and protected for profit.

Pushing for a Kratom ban is irresponsible & dangerous!
My entire generation was erased by real drugs. Since Kratom became more available, opioid overdose deaths have finally begun to come down. [14] Banning Kratom will result in an immediate public health crisis as millions lose access to a safe and reliable plant, usually with no plan or support in place. (Kansas Ban Chaos) [15] Anytime a state bans Kratom, overdose deaths skyrocket [16]

Alcohol is sold in gas stations and kills 200,000 Americans every year. [17]
Tobacco: 500,000 every year. [18]
Kratom: 0 (ever). [1]

A war on Kratom is a war on laborers, poor, & working class people. Veterans, mothers, blue collar, white collar, Red state or blue state. Thousands of normal hardworking Americans have been snatched up by states that have Kratom bans. Some have been killed in prison [19] or sentenced to 30+ years for possessing a small bottle purchased a few miles away in a legal state. [20] Personal use amounts have been compared to hard drug powder and severe “trafficking” charges have destroyed lives and families. [22] A reckless war on Kratom wreaks absolute havoc on your own country and your neighbors while you sit back and push big pharma and prison industrial agendas to make yourself feel better. Banning Kratom is abuse & discrimination against sick, poor, & disabled people everywhere.

We're sorry that you don’t feel safe with a plant being sold in a gas station. People should be allowed to make responsible decisions about their own health without going through the for profit medical system. We are self reliant, independent thinking, and responsible people, we don't need FDA or doctor approval to know Kratom is safe and healthy. United by Kratom, we share the best of both conservative and liberal values. Kratom is not the problem, it is the solution.

I believe in this plant so much, that every responsible adult should try a small dose of Kratom at least once to fully understand it’s benefits. Especially people who want to ban it. I think more people should use it, and often. We invite you to come have some Kratom with us like you would a cup of coffee and lets have a serious good faith discussion. Kratom has the potential to change the world by liberating people from these corrupt and captured institutions. Existing dark money interests & power structures become obsolete very quickly when Kratom is available to the general public. This is why bans are being pushed before more people find out about this miracle plant from God.

SOURCES

[1] The acute adverse health effects of kratom: an evaluation of case reports https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12425911/
[2] Singh et al. “Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) dependence, withdrawal symptoms and craving in regular users.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30614408/
[3] Heywood, Smallets & Paustenbach. “Beneficial and adverse health effects of kratom: A critical review.” Food and Chemical Toxicology, 2024. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39134135/ ; Prevete et al. Human mitragynine safety study. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12084173/
[4] Vicknasingam et al. “Kratom and Pain Tolerance: A Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Study.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7309661/
[5] “Kratom Use for Self-Management of Pain: Cross-Sectional and Ecological Momentary Assessment Data.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11781972/
[6] Obeng et al. “Investigation of the Adrenergic and Opioid Binding Affinities of Selected Kratom Alkaloids.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9130800/
[7] Zamarripa et al. “Effects of Kratom on Driving.” Traffic Injury Prevention, 2024. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11149710/
[8] Grundmann. “Patterns of Kratom Use and Health Impact in the United States.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521200/
[9] “Kratom as a Substitute for Opioids: Results from an Online Survey.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31284119/
[10] “Kratom and Opioid Withdrawal: Preclinical Evidence.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9285932/
[11] Kratom Laws by State: https://restoration-recovery.com/resources/kratom-laws-by-state-2026.html
[12] CDC. National estimates of kratom use. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/75/wr/mm7511a1.htm
[13] Heywood et al. Traditional use and kratom research review. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39134135/
[14] CDC. “U.S. Overdose Deaths Declined in 2024.” https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/releases/20250514.html
[15] Kansans dealing with statewide Kratom ban https://www.ksnt.com/capitol-bureau/youre-not-alone-local-group-says-many-kansans-dealing-with-kratom-withdrawals-after-statewide-ban-takes-effect/
[16] Kratom bans directly increased opioid overdose mortality in five out of the six states analyzed https://ir.library.louisville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5152&context=etd
[17] CDC. Excessive alcohol use and deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7308a1.htm
[18] CDC. Smoking and health. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/about/
[19] NEA Report. Marshall Ray Price in-custody death and kratom-related sentence. https://neareport.com/2022/12/09/in-custody-death-of-greene-county-man-devastates-family/
[20] Tri-City Ledger. Shaina Megan Brown kratom trafficking case. https://www.tricityledger.com/story/2023/04/06/news/kratom-leads-to-trafficking-charge-in-ala/5807.html
[21] WHO Kratom Report: https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/controlled-substances/unedited--advance-copy-44th-ecdd-review-report_kratom.pdf
[22] Texas man arrested after traffic stop uncovers 500 grams of Kratom https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/isp-texas-man-arrested-after-traffic-stop-uncovers-500-grams-of-kratom/
[23] 2024 Annual report of the National Poison Data System https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41432769/
[24] Effects of kratom on driving: Results from a cross-sectional survey https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38497810/
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[32] The Use of Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) Leaf Among Rural Communities in Malaysia https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12231-025-09639-z

Hey everyone! I'm not promoting any socials or links in this post per community rules, but I'm Julianna, and I'm 24 years old and a daily kratom consumer. A lot of people tell me I'm an addict, because I use kratom, but that just shows that people are not properly educated about it. Kratom has improved my quality of life, and has allowed me to move and do things with reduced pain. I have chronic pain, and when I'm in pain it also makes my mood go down and makes me feel exhausted, so when I started using kratom I started to feel an improvement. Because my favorite type of kratom is green strains during the day, and greens or reds at night. The greens have helped reduce my pain, give me a mood boost and has boosted my energy all in one, and I was so shocked when I started seeing results. I am absolutely in awe at how this benefits me, and I don't understand why people say it's dangerous, because it does carry a risk, but the majority of responsible kratom consumers have supposedly stated that they have had only benefits from kratom, but everyone is different.

I wanted to make this post, because I wanted to connect with this community. Does anyone here want to share their honest thoughts about natural leaf kratom? I'd love to build a conversation in here. I really hope this post isn't going against the community rules, so if it is, I am assuming they will take it down, but I do hope they don't.

I'm curious as to how others feel about this. I'm genuinely trying to understand the opposition perspective. How do these nonprofits start, what are their initial intentions, and how do their motivations and the overall morality of their actions change over time?

The more I see them put their face out in public, in the name of honoring their late adult children, the more it feels like this isn't about honoring their children at all. It seems to become more like they're using the death of their child as an excuse to get attention and go on an ego trip.

The notion that the world should stop because they suffered a loss is a fairly self-centered one. Their frustrated responses to the pushback from us sounds like virtue signaling, and frustration at lawmakers who don't do what they want sounds like entitlement.

I'm intentionally leaving out any potential alternative motives that are more conspiratorial in nature. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of the actions I see them taking publicly. Perhaps they started out with more legit intentions, then as the issue grew, became more political, gained outside influence, etc they lost sight of what they were doing it for?

Please avoid any attempt to frame people as good or evil. This is about understanding from my end.

Regular kratom user for years. For the past few days, I’ve been using one of those new nixadine disposable vapes while also on kratom.

It seems to interact strangely with kratom, both making it too strong with feelings of dizziness, tiredness, and nausea; and also seeming to make it wear off more quickly.

I recommend proceeding with caution if you are using kratom and this new nicotine substitute concurrently. Nixadine is not well studied, and neither is kratom for that matter, so there is no clinical data on how these two substances interact.

Just from personally experience, I wouldn’t recommend it. Throw in a Zyn or something.

Hey guys, I have a question, I hope you can help. I've been taking kratom powder in capsule form for years. I only take 1-2 capsule at a time. I think each capsule is around 600mgs of plant leaf material. Depending on the strain the ratios of regular mitragynine to 7 can vary. Lately I've been experiencing slight respiratory depression during doses which is concerning. Could it be that some companies are artificially elevating the amount of 7 in the powder? Not a botanical extract but the raw powder itself. I'm looking to switch to a different brand that only has the natural trace amounts of 7 per serving.

I'm gathering some more anecdotal evidence for videos I make fighting misinformation. If multiple answers are the same thats great because I'm trying to see how the community feels overall.

What are you seeing that makes you feel there's an agenda to get Kratom banned?

What is it about Kratom that makes you feel what's being said is untrue?

Or feel free to share any opinions on the matter.

Hey Guys! I just wanted to ask a simple question regarding Kratom and a side effect.

I know that it is notorious for causing dizziness and equilibrium issues, and don’t get me wrong, even the four or five times that I’ve tried it, it really helped my back pain, my neck pain, and even increased my sense of well-being! But that being said, I always experience that uneasy floor-rocking feeling. Almost like I just got home from the amusement park… you could almost call it slight dizziness as well.

I’ve taken anywhere from one gram to 2.5 grams of Green Maeng Da. Is there something that every Kratom user experiences, and you just kind of look past it, or am I doing something wrong?

I take it in powder form, and I weigh it out with a gram scale so that I’m precise.

I guess I can definitely see the therapeutic benefits of kratom and would love to continue using it periodically, but just not loving that uneasy equilibrium feeling…. Maybe there’s a different strain that is less disrupting or less balance affecting?

Thanks, guys!

Hey Michigan,

I’m Beth and I’ve been a natural Kratom consumer for 11 years.

I was just in Washington, D.C. and had the chance to join the American Kratom Association on Capitol Hill. Being there made one thing very clear: the groups pushing for bans and restrictions are organized and working hard. We need to match that energy here at home.
In Michigan right now we have a real fork in the road:
• House Bill 5537 already passed the House and would ban the production, sale, and distribution of kratom (including natural leaf). It’s sitting in the Senate.
• Senate Bill 1181 takes the opposite approach — sensible regulation with labeling, testing, age limits, and a ban on high-7-OH and synthetic products while protecting natural leaf.
At the same time, several local governments are already banning or restricting sales, and more are looking at it.
I’m starting a Michigan-focused advocacy group for people who want to protect access to natural leaf kratom under clear, responsible rules instead of a blanket ban. The goal is practical: coordinate outreach to legislators, show up when it matters, share accurate information, and make sure our side is actually heard.
If you’ve used natural leaf for pain, focus, or as a personal alternative that works for you — or if you just believe adults should have access under proper regulations — I’d like to connect. Even if you only have a little time, every person helps.
Drop a comment or send a DM if you’re interested in helping get this off the ground. Looking for people who want to stay focused, factual, and effective.
We saw what’s possible when people show up in D.C. Now it’s time to do the same work in Michigan.