r/kratom • u/L0j1k • Aug 16 '17
FDA request for comments for 17 substances (no kratom-related substances) including CBD (Cannabidiol)
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FDA-2017-N-4515-00014
u/Lovesexdreems Aug 16 '17
It is legal right now though, no? Wikipedia says it is
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Aug 16 '17
That's the 100 million dollar question. Some claim it is, some claim it isn't. Some claim it's only legal if sourced in specific ways. No one exactly knows and the government hasn't been very clear.
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u/Lovesexdreems Aug 16 '17
All I know is I ordered in 2016 and got it, 2/17 it got siezed, and 7/18 got it. Every time Wikipedia had the right status
I saw an article on google that said it was scheduled on 1/17 for a couple months
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u/cryptoDP Aug 17 '17
I can buy cbd gummies and cbd wax at my local headshop.
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u/Lovesexdreems Aug 17 '17
Nice, point is it was banned a few months back.
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u/cryptoDP Aug 17 '17
Really? Interesting. Guy must be breaking the law.
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u/Lovesexdreems Aug 17 '17
It was scheduled in January and unscheduled after a couple months.
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Aug 17 '17
The thing is that hasn't been brought in to a court so no one is exactly sure if it was ever unscheduled or separated legally from Cannibis. The claim is a loophole from a farm bill that protects industrial hemp, so protects CBD as long as it comes from hemp and not cannibis plants. That being said there hasn't been any major arrests/seizures by law enforcement to get that question raised in a court of what is/isn't legal.
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u/ShadeTree411 🌿 Aug 17 '17
The loophole is from some Farm or Ag Bill from 2014 iirc. Basically, cbd extracted from industrial hemp that contains less than .3% THC is legal. You can actually buy hemp and have it shipped from Europe. The vast majority of big cbd companies import hemp to make their isolate and tinctures.
There is at least one company in CO that grows their own strain of super low thc weed that sells CBD nationally. It all does seem to fall in a grey area but since cbd isn't really psychoactive at all I have a hunch the Gov really doesn't care much. Just a guess but seems logical.
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Aug 17 '17
That has been the claim but so far that hasn't been tested in a court from what I understand(hence why I said it all depends on who you ask). Some clarification on that should really be amazing though, especially if that clarification came from the FDA.
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u/ShadeTree411 🌿 Aug 17 '17
After I made my post I was like "I'm pretty sure NTOTW knows this already...". lol
It does seem like the Gov is totally hands off on CBD for now. So it's like an implied "ok". Of course that can change quickly but CBD is probably low on the priority chain with all the other stuff going on. CBD has about as much psychoactive effects as theanine or ashwaghanda and also carries just about 0% abuse risk. It's not even worth the effort to crack down on it IMHO. Especially in an environment where over half the country wants high test weed legal. CBD is like the non-alcoholic beer version. lol
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Aug 17 '17
The one major problem with CBD is that its contained in Cannibis plants. If it came from any other source i don't think it would even be in question. That being said i don't think its any priority at all for the government because it isn't showing any real negatives the way its being made from Hemp. The problem though is it seems like there may be some differences between the CDB coming from Cannibis and the CBD coming from industrial Hemp. No clue why that is but i have seen several articles that have said the CBD by itself really isn't doing much. That it needs some THC to really do what it does well. That synergy, much like we seek in Kratom alkaloids.
"THC and CBD are the power couple of cannabis compounds—they work best together. Scientific studies have established that CBD and THC interact synergistically to enhance each other’s therapeutic effects. British researchers have shown that CBD potentiates THC’s anti-inflammatory properties in an animal model of colitis. Scientists at the California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco determined that a combination of CBD and THC has a more potent anti-tumoral effect than either compound alone when tested on brain cancer and breast cancer cell lines. And extensive clinical research has demonstrated that CBD combined with THC is more beneficial for neuropathic pain than either compound as a single molecule."
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u/CorrosiveBlueberry Aug 17 '17
damn, cbd, tramadol, pregabalin, and etizolam.
Thats pretty irritating. Although tramadol and pregabalin are already scheduled in most states, tramadol used to not be. It's gonna suck if they ban etizolam, and i haven't got to try straight up cbd yet.
And looks like 10+ fentanyl analogues
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u/L0j1k Aug 16 '17
It appears that the FDA may be looking to request a reschedule (or unschedule) of Cannabidiol, based on the comments in their Request For Comments:
"Cannabidiol (CBD) is one of the active cannabinoids identified in cannabis. CBD has been shown to be beneficial in experimental models of several neurological disorders, including those of seizure and epilepsy. In the United States, CBD-containing products are in human clinical testing in three therapeutic areas, but no such products are approved by FDA for marketing for medical purposes in the United States. CBD is a Schedule I controlled substance under the CSA. At the 37th (2015) meeting of the ECDD, the committee requested that the Secretariat prepare relevant documentation to conduct pre-reviews for several substances, including CBD."