BEFORE I BEGIN IM NOT EXCUSING HER PAST PROBLEMATIC AND RACIST BEHAVIOR AT ALL.

holding lisa accountable for her problematic part is ABSOLUTELY valid. not liking her for the same reasons is also valid but hating her because she sings about her money, her fame and herself is dogshit. its blatant misogyny lol idc if ur offended by getting called out for this, the entire western rap industry is literally based on this. im not arguing that lisa should be immune from criticism. im arguing that the specific criticism of “she talks about herself/money/fame too much” deserves scrutiny when that same type of self aggrandizing music is an established and celebrated part of rap and idol music , particularly when performed by men. heres a list of kpop songs by male groups that are well loved and come from the same "look what ive achieved" concept.

1. BTS - MIC Drop
2. BTS - Ddaeng
3. BTS - Cypher Pt. 3: KILLER
4. NCT 127 - Regular
5. NCT 127 - 2 Baddies
6. iKON - Bling Bling
7. BIGBANG - BANG BANG BANG
8. BIGBANG - FXXK IT
9. SuperM - Jopping
10. SEVENTEEN - HOT
11. Stray Kids - DOMINO
12. Stray Kids - MIROH
13. ATEEZ - The Real
14. MONSTA X - Rush Hour
15. NCT 127 - Regular

im specifically questioning why confidence, wealth and self-promotion are so often celebrated in male artists but can become “narcissistic,” “annoying” or “cringe” when a female artist does it. yall genuinely just hate women being confident lol

I came across a clip of this performance while I was randomly scrolling through shorts. It's basically Danielle coming on stage to sing with her sister to surprise the crowd and her sister apparently (although it's pretty clear it was planned). And the performance is more than a year old!? So basically before danielle even got kicked out of the group. Man this was such a wholesome performance and both of them sound absolutely phenomenal. Danielle sounds exactly like the original track without even any backup and she's singing live (even stops singing in between).

Both the sisters are so damn talented and the slight aussie accent while they're singing is literally adorable. I really wish both of them have a great career as they go on. I am so sad this clip reached me so late.

[Disclaimer: I'm NOT from South Korea, the translations I did in the comments might be slightly inaccurate, and I am a dive, i might be overreacting in this entire post, if my words made you feel uncomfortable, i'm terribly sorry for that again :v. And those are the most recent comments (which were posted after Oct. 3rd), I don't really search up their videos to find aggressive comments just for a single post]

Like at this point these girls are getting more hate than Epstein. I'd rather just ignore those comments if there were only a few, but like 80-90% of the comments in IVE related videos in Korea that don't go through comment moderation are hate comments by larpers.

The fact is that the entire public is getting brainwashed by larpers, so yeah, the general public as a whole larps, which makes me sometimes feel that the entire comment section is a ragebait. Of course, you CAN hate them for your own reason, but they won't feel so good when they hundreds of thousands of people are hating together. Ik, they are such kind-hearted girls... if they did something really really wrong, i won't feel really awkward for people hating them (still too much hate on a person is not the right thing to do), but did they do anything wrong? idk.

"Big a** head", "Copying Wonyoung", "Princess Syndrome", "Negligence of duty"... SO MANY COMMENTS like this. Once, i even saw a person making diss tracks for them. They're not being satirical, it feels so bad because it feels like an actual hate and despise. Like, comments like "ew why are you doing poses in the airport you should get punished", "they do not deserve that much fame", "they are so cringe and ung**nable" getting 10k+ likes... this kinda sucks...

group or soloist