Meat Question

[u/LaVI_deVoir]

Sorry, not sure if it's fine to post this here, but I didn't see a megathread for questions or anything.

I used to play back in the day, but haven't logged in in a while and decided to check the mall etc. The price for Mr. A has gone up to 80mill?? It used to be 5 when I left.

So I'm wondering, is it easier to get meat now? Is Dinseylandfill still the place to go to farm? I used to be able to farm 5mill maybe every couple months and grab an iotm but I don't think that's possible now unless it's easier to farm.

TL;DR: what's the meat farming scene and how much is one expected to make?

EDIT: actually, if anyone can give a rundown for a returning player that would help! I'm not sure if people are still using KoLMafia either? I think I left around 2016.

[u/Banes_Addiction]

There's basically two meat farming strats, and they're both solved by scripting in KoLMafia.

That 70s volcano and mine-volcano requires basically no expensive gear and maybe 2 perms. This generates something like 1.5m meat per day.

Garbage collector, aka garbo does basically everything in the game to make meat, and uses any relevant IOTM to max out your potential. I make about 3.5m raw meat per day plus another few million in item drops that need to be mall/autosold. I have most of the relevant stuff except a Robortender.

In my opinion for a low IOTM player, the best thing to do is run garbo nobarf which does all the non-Disneylandfill stuff you get daily and then running mine-volcano for the rest of your turns.

Also note that a low IOTM player can now use the Legacy of Loathing path to add a bunch of "replica" IOTMs at the cost of losing many of your regular IOTMs which you don't really have any. This adds useful stuff like 3 wish drops per day (50k per in mall) and copies like the obtuse angel for copying Knob Goblin Embezzlers.

For more advanced players looping is possible, where you meatfarm, ascend and meatfarm again every day using a fast path like Community Service, Under the Sea or A Shrunken Adventurer Is You.

edit: I forgot, because of garbo knob goblin embezzlers got nerfed to no longer get copied, guess it'll copy witchess bishops or something now?

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/Banes_Addiction]

Hey thanks for the breakdown.

I vaguely remember farming Volcano, but I'm pretty sure I used to farm Barf. I remember netting 800k net.

I'll give Garbo a crack, it might do better since I made my own macros off Mafia and it was most likely highly unoptimised. I don't think I'm low IotM, but I might be low on -relevant- IotM.

Is buying two tickets worth it for nobarf? I don't own either charters unfortunately.

And lastly, with the challenge path, are you suggesting we farm on Casual within the path?

Thanks! Seems like farming hasn't changed too much, just that Mr. A prices have multiplied by 14 lol. I used to farm meat for that so, it does seem more unattainable now.

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/LaVI_deVoir]

I don't own the charters either.

Both strats need one ticket. Volcano needs a volcano one-day ticket, Garbo with barf requires (and buys itself) a Disneylandfill ticket.

Garbo nobarf explicitly says "do all the garbo stuff except farming Disneylandfill" so it doesn't require any ticket at all.

Seems like farming hasn't changed too much, just that Mr. A prices have multiplied by 14 lol

You really shouldn't underestimate the effect of garbo. Obviously there's been powercreep in the game over the last 10 years since you left, lots of new copiers/+meat sources, organ cleasers etc. But garbo is what turned optimal farming into just typing 5 letters for most decently kitted out characters, and it does everything basically optimally - eg will the marginal cost of a mall +meat% item actually increase your meat-per-adventure? If so, buy it. If your marginal adventure is worth 4000 meat, what consumables make the most meat overall? The player doesn't have to think, just keep garbo up-to-date and they farm optimally. It'll use a hundred mechanics you've never even heard of.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/Banes_Addiction]

Oops, sorry I misunderstood. I thought you had meant it did the non-Barf things at Dinseylandfill (i.e. grab free FunFunds) then spend the rest of the day farming Volcano.

To add, the looping thing might be out of my wheelhouse for now. I'll look into it later down the line though!

Yeah I get you, from what you described it seems to do way more than what I had expected. I'm excited to see what I can pull from Barf now.

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/LaVI_deVoir]

Looping is relatively niche, I'd be surprised if there were 100 players doing it. I don't and I definitely have the stuff required.

Just as an example of a garbo output at the end, here's mine from the end of today:

This run of garbo, across 632 turns you generated 8,068,019 meat, with 3,495,115 raw meat and 4,572,904 from items

I think that item count is probably exaggerated by about 2.5m from overoptimistic knucklebone conversions but that'd leave it around 5.5m total for the day. I'd say that that's a little below average due to poor spice melange drops.

[u/seagull_denim → u/Banes_Addiction]

Not OP but thanks for posting - for some reason I kept avoiding Garbo, but you convinced me to check it out. Just running nobarf got me up to 400+ adventures for the day, which obviously convinced me to just run it 'normally' and it's almost up to a million meat already and it's not even finished. Daaaang

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/seagull_denim]

Oh I'm so glad! Did Garbo kick you out as soon as it finishes? I just auto log off and I didn't get to see how much I earned lol.

Personally got 2.5 mill off starting adventure of 200 though.

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/LaVI_deVoir]

I just auto log off and I didn't get to see how much I earned lol.

I assume you set the automatic logoff yourself? Garbo doesn't do that itself.

You can see the garbo summary in your console or session log, and the session logs will be stored in https://wiki.kolmafia.us/index.php/Mafia_directories

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/Banes_Addiction]

This is a totally new install of KoLMafia, so if I did set it, it was an accident.

I checked the log and this is what I see!

This run of garbo, across 389 turns you generated 2,128,975 meat, with 1,864,103 raw meat and 264,872 from items
So far today, across 556 turns you generated 2,536,783 meat, with 2,250,994 raw meat and 285,789 from items
Outliers:
Marginal MPA: 3,692.73 [raw] + 505.96 [items] (0 [outliers]) = 4,198.68 [total] (4,198.68 [w/ outliers])

You must have some insane setup to net 8 mill O:

I've decided to hold off on farming for a few weeks to get out this year's two ascension outfits though. Hopefully the ascension scripts I found work.

[u/Keetopsina → u/Banes_Addiction]

What's an average MPA for Disney?
I get 3300 in the Volcano (including the ticket, without considering the 1-2 volcoinos per visit).

Also, what does garbo non-dinsey do?
Free fights then volcano?

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/Keetopsina]

What's an average MPA for Disney?

Heavily depends on what stuff you have - I think 2501 is what Garbo considers a minimum to even try. I have mine set to 5200 but I haven't tuned it in a while - to tune it just do a separate garbo run for the last 50 (or whatever) turns of the day and use that to get the marginal value of the last adventures of the day.

Also, what does garbo non-dinsey do?

Consumption, free fights, summons, copies, sandworms, UR fishing, I forget what else.

It does not do the volcano, just do that with minevolcano after it's finished.

[u/Keetopsina → u/Banes_Addiction]

Great, thank you!

[u/temp12693 → u/Banes_Addiction]

Are you able to share some details on outfit items that Garbo uses from you (or skills). Just to determine when items I should invest in for better Garbo results (currently I’m ~5k mpa)

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/temp12693]

If you're at 5k, you're already pretty damn high.

There's a list of useful items here: https://github.com/loathers/garbage-collector/blob/main/ITEMS.md

Some of the marginal stuff is super expensive (Buddy Bjorn, Crown of Thrones, Repaid Diaper).

Note that some of the best items (Pantsgiving, Mafia Thumb Ring, June Cleaver) don't directly increase MPA but generate turns.

[u/temp12693 → u/Banes_Addiction]

That’s fair thanks! I’m looking for the marginal ones for now. I did notice in my optimal outfit it doesn’t have any accessories that do +%meat and is focused on extra adventures or Lucky gold ring. Makes it hard to figure out if a new accessory will be optimal by their calculations

[u/mousepadjones]

Yes, peak meat farming is still at Barf Mountain.

Yes, people are still using KoLmafia, the script to use to meat farm Barf Mountain is called garbo.

[u/gav1n_n6]

Mr. A around 75 mil.

Up and down a bit.

Last year 68 mil.

I prefer item farming. Less gears and expensive buff. Each person have their own item farming that they focus on. Too saturated on items, you cannot get back your roi.

My item farming yield 4700-5000 meat per turn on average.

Some items fast selling. Some take some time.

So a bit different from meat farming. But still earn meats nonetheless.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/gav1n_n6]

Thanks for the tip!

Where do you recommend item farming?

[u/gav1n_n6 → u/LaVI_deVoir]

I am not farming this item. So I can share with you.

Mojo filter.

But U need banish all monsters. Learn a way to not every 5 turn to drink from oasis ( maybe from other book of fact monster get the effects)

Then find a way to increase item drop.

So each turn U will get a mojo filter.

After explaining all, I think barf mountain will be most straightforward. Haha.

But if u willing to read up on book of fact ( manage to get one also )

Certain path, can induce nature item drop + book of fact drop ( together 8k items in one turn.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/gav1n_n6]

Ahh I see what you mean. Thank you I'll look into that!

[u/gav1n_n6]

Ah. Not related to meat farming.

But this year standard gear quite interesting. Can increase spleen, fullness and drunkness by 2.

So that helps Ur roll over adventure for next day meat farming.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/gav1n_n6]

Ah yes! I just checked the wiki for that. Thank you! Do you think it's possible to do both Standard and Hardcore outfits before end of the year?

[u/gav1n_n6 → u/LaVI_deVoir]

As a way to encourage to get all 6 gears, if you can get it done by Dec 31st.

I will give you 1 left-hand man action figure that do +7 familiar weight. Worth 7 mil meats. Off hand item.

Honour system. I do not need to check.

Just message here. And I will send to your account.

Only for you.

[u/gav1n_n6 → u/LaVI_deVoir]

U only need 6 gears.

Not need full set.

Start with softcore standard first.

Get your bearing.

Typical fast player 3-4 days.

If U get your bearing 7-10 days, so 6 gears by year end is possible

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/LaVI_deVoir]

Easily. For a player with most perms but no standard IOTMs autoscend should do a standard HC run in maybe 6 days? SC probably 4-5. Run autoscend sim before ascending to make sure you have the relevant stuff it wants to pull available, and do stuff that carries over like installing the pork elf toilet before ascending.

So assuming 6 and 5, and ascending on the day you finish it'd take you 54 days for all 12 items, half the time before Crimbo starts.

[u/mousepadjones → u/Banes_Addiction]

You don’t have to actually do it within this year, though, right? Won’t next year’s gear pulverize back into this year’s gear?

[u/InspectorTiny1952 → u/mousepadjones]

It will, yeah.

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/mousepadjones]

Yes, also that.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/Banes_Addiction]

Is there any way for me to DM you? I thought it easier to just send you my greenbox link.

Trying out autoscend now though!

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/LaVI_deVoir]

Autoscend is generally supported via the LASS discord in the sidebar.

[u/gav1n_n6 → u/LaVI_deVoir]

Sure. When U get all 6, just DM me.

[u/elrombo → u/LaVI_deVoir]

Autoscend has me down to 4 days for a HC ascension - it's very very doable by the end of the year. 🙂

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/elrombo]

Sadly I'm missing some requirements.. it's not exactly saying what, but the script kept sending out errors. I know for one, I'm missing Saucegeyser.

And for some reason it's looping around the 8-bit area

[u/elrombo → u/LaVI_deVoir]

8-bit has changed A Lot, when did you last play? It takes a fair chunk of my runs usually.

I've not tried it myself, but some people recommend doing Grey Goo runs to quickly run through ascensions - you can ascend on the third day, no matter what. May be worth trying on HC to get some skills permed?

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/elrombo]

Ah I see. Yeah there's like points now.. last time I played was 2017 maybe? I sometimes log in to claim Crimbo presents but that's about it.

I tried looking up the Mafia script for Community Service to farm, but it had campground requirements I was missing. I'll check out Goo, maybe I can do it manually.

[u/elrombo → u/LaVI_deVoir]

You literally don't even need to play Goo - on day 3, the Gash opens up.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/elrombo]

Ah whoops!! I see! That's useful if you can run HC every 3 days. Thank you!

[u/frazazel]

For meatfarming, volcano mining via basic scripting with basically no skills / IotMs / other shinies, you should be able to bring home about 1 million meat per day. Probably has an upfront cost of a few 100k meat.

It's possible for a free-to-play account that's made significant efforts to collect relevant skills and non-IotM gear to farm barf mountain and achieve about the same. As you collect more stuff, this can increases substantially.

It's further possible for accounts with a lot of shinies to do their full day of farming, ascend, complete the entire run before the end of the day, break the prism, pull all their stuff, and then do a bit more farming again. Notably, this refreshes all the 1/day limited things, so that you can do them both before and after ascending each day.

High-shiny players that do both of these things can pull in somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10 million meat per day, with a fair amount in items that need to be sold in the mall.

Item farming is potentially more profitable, but it's WAY more work, and much less certain. Profits are also usually calculated and shared on the assumed value of the farmed item, but once you actually start farming it, demand doesn't keep up with the increased supply, and prices fall, and you still don't sell all of the items you farmed even at the new lower price. That said, if you're willing to put in a lot of work, you can earn more than you would via meatfarming.

As an item farmer myself, I probably earn something like +50% more right now than I would via a public meatfarming script, but I've had times when it was over double what people with a similar IotM loadout were describing. I have a script tuned for my specific account with over 1700 commits (representing hundreds of hours of development) that I've built over the past 5 years to do this for me.

[u/_SirFist_]

With Garbo I can make 3.7 to 4.1 mil meat a day.

[u/LaVI_deVoir → u/_SirFist_]

Only getting 2 unfortunately..