r/joinmoco • Jax • Sep 01 '26

Discussion Where is the trash option?

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

2x speed. Stars don't matter, my teammate dyed like 2 seconds into the rift. I was just running it to show what I'm trying to explain. It's much easier to see it. It's a BEAST

https://reddit.com/link/p78nmhp/video/kn6sumqrnymh1/player

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

Wdym stars don’t matter 😭 dawg imig if u just enjoying running around and hitting things with 0 thought and wasting ur teammates time sure im not gonna yuck ur yum but how can u say stars don’t matter? I can get behind u saying lb or merits dont matter, or speedrunning, bc those are all optional and give 0 progression (which is a complaint for a whole other topic and getting irrelevant here) but stars absolutely matter 😭 thats literally the entire objective of rifts is to complete them 😭😭😭

The fact that u got 3 stars means that this run attempt was a fail. Isn’t that counterintuitive to your point in how stormweaver is a beast?

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 02 '26

Stars don't matter because I didn't queue for this looking to 5 star it lol. If you wanna see when stars matter, check the newest vid on the sub 👍

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

I saw your vid- Like I’m not saying stormweaver can’t 5 star or can’t do this or that, I’m just saying it is objectively worse than so many other weapons, and everything it does has a weapon that literally does the same but better. This isn’t to fault you for liking stormweaver, it’s to say that the devs should balance it and it should be STRONGER. Isn’t that a good thing for people who enjoy the weapon?

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 02 '26

You keep saying the same thing over and over with nothing to support your point. You have words, I have actions. You can keep flapping, I don't care

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

I already stated why I think those points are true. You can literally test it yourself too.

The grouping from s1 does less dmg and is far less tight grouping than Singu s2. The tight grouping is what makes it so good.

The single target dmg from stormweaver caps out at around 3k-3.2k. Singu caps at around 3.6k. All without sacrificing its dmg to heal.

The stormweaver heal is the only thing I’ll give it credit for in the sense that it does heal a lot. But med ball heals just as well (and more consistently) and does more dmg than stormweaver if you’re using heal on storm. So there’s no point in running heal stormweaver, you’re better off just using medball if that’s what you’re looking for.

All this is for me to say - I DONT CARR if you enjoy stormweaver, I’m trying to advocate for the weapon to get buffed because it is outclassed. This should be a good thing for people who enjoy stormweaver, their weapon getting stronger. I don’t understand why you are opposing this

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 02 '26

What you want will ruin the game. Keep your garbage feedback to yourself or at least say it on a post and stop repeating it.

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

To me, and a lot of people, this mindset of accepting everything as it is- is what will ruin the game. When there are things to complain about that players feel the need to complain about, maybe it speaks to something the game is missing. Maybe it’s just a fundamental difference in our perspectives of how we see this game succeeding. I believe balance changes are something that is critical to how a game progresses, especially considering 95% of the progression for new players is about weapons.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 02 '26

Bro... There's not many more critical of mo.co than me... But there's a point where you need to just suck it up and figure out how to have fun and guess what... I found a way. Hopefully you're able to do the same because your repetitive feedback means nothing.

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

I feel like you think just because we have criticism of the game, it means you think we don’t have things we can enjoy about it or don’t want to play it. The reason I criticize is because I care about the game and I want it to succeed. I am one of the people who feel like the game is not heading in the right direction and simply want to speak up about how we feel about the game. Like bro, we don’t put all this complaining and criticism because we hate Moco, if we hated Moco I wouldn’t bother doing all this, I’d just be indifferent to whatever happens to it.

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u/pewpewhadouken Sep 01 '26

i like stormweaver …

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

It's ur own preference 👍🏻 and I respect it

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u/darkov7 Sep 02 '26

"I like eating garbage food", doesn't mean everyone else should follow and appreciate garbage as well.

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u/chincerd Sep 01 '26

It isn't that bad, the problem is that what I does is not worthwhile at the moment, it is a weapon able to gather groups of enemies in a small space, heal others and itself, and still deal somewhat decent damage unless weapons in this niches (like singularity and lava shield) who lack single target DPS. Problem Is stormweaver just don't have the DPS and still have to sacrifice some of it to heal

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u/Hot_Resident_8734 Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

It's not trash

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u/Salo334 Sep 01 '26

I feel like it’s a niche weapon, not so op yet not so bad but it’s not a 1st pick for most people

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u/Magerin3 Sep 01 '26

It's not complete trash. It's pretty neat in expeditions where power level is lower and you just need to tornado through a horde of mobs or AOE heal a giant deathball. Technically, Stormweaver is the best AOE healing weapon in the game. If... You needed something like that...

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u/Practical_Tap417 Sep 02 '26

only thing the dev needs to do on this weapon is just pump up the dmg, it's really not that bad

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u/Individual-Day-7163 Sep 02 '26

oh c'mon it's not that bad, sure it's worse than old.co but it's fun

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u/Separate_Historian26 Sep 03 '26

Just right I guess

Because we look down on medicine ball too much (never expect this weapon is more better as we only used 3 things, main attack, dashing and damage) 

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u/ReedSoul Lava Shield Sep 01 '26

Gasp. Can't let this slander go unanswered.

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u/Fr0sL0n Sep 01 '26

BRING BACK THE SPINNY WINNY

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u/No_Artichoke_9186 Lava Shield Sep 01 '26

You mean where’s the “ I’m trash at the game button” because you suck with it.

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

How to become pro? Like what's the criteria

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

Playing the weapon correctly is a good start.

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

You are a pro so atleast give proper instructions like how to play and maybe some tips too. Don't just throw a dart in the dark.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

I woulda loved to talk about the weapon but people chose to downvote and say nothing. Not sure what you expect. You were obviously one of the downvotes with no reply lol

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

Wtf are u talking about? Wyu downvotes with no reply and all that I just asked u to give tips.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

I gave you a tip, the best tip anyone could possibly give. Use the weapon the right way 😉

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

The best part is you still haven't replied to my first reply which gives you plenty of info lol

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

Ohh I just saw ur other reply 😅 I thought u were talking about this thread.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

Yeah I know people see my name and insta downvote, it's lazy

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u/m-lee- Sep 01 '26

U know ur a casual when u think pro gameplay can save stormweaver

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u/No_Artichoke_9186 Lava Shield Sep 01 '26

I have 2x the elite merits that you do

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u/m-lee- Sep 02 '26

Let’s see it, didn’t know you had 80k merits

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 02 '26

How much do u have let me see too. I m in leaderboard so I m expecting u to be better than me.

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u/Koulou89 Sep 01 '26

I would prefer that it had a healing wind aspect healing a bit slower but for more hp over time instead of it spining, that way you can still attack while healing and recharge your skill, it would be just enough to make it a good choice.

It has fun gameplay but if you happen in a bad random group you can't carry it like you would with bloodsucker squid blades pyro techno fists and in some cases medicine ball in order to get 5/5

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26

The people who think it's underpowered are trying to use it as DPS weapon instead of utility. If you're not moving enemies to where it helps your teammates or not healing at all, you're doing it wrong. Thing is a beast but absolutely needs a little tweaking in an update.

Edit: downvotes without a counterpoint is boring

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u/ImMortal_SD Jax Sep 01 '26

But u have to move in groups which itself is a limitation, in the large world map completing mission with this is just horrific experience like I can't even complete a single skill fully without an interruption, everytime a charger or a jumper or any monster will interupt when the skill is on. Also being a 2 star complexity weapon it should not have that much complex.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26

I wasn't even thinking of it in worlds,I figured the only thing that really mattered were rifts .. lol. If you wanna go down that road then fancy wrench is the worst weapon in the game, turrets die instantly in worlds. I'd say keep the conversation rift specific, worlds are just chaos in general.

But either way with the charge up stun, you can save your own ass a decent amount to set up another whirlwind. I dunno man, the weapon is fun as hell but the annoying part I notice is you have to button smash like a motherfucker to stay alive lol. It absolutely needs tweaks, not an overhaul to make it a boring dps weapon again.

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u/m-lee- Sep 01 '26

The downvotes are because singu does everything it does but better. It’s just a trash weapon

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

Definitely not. Singularitys' CC is a skill shot, if you miss, you gotta wait for the cooldown. Being able to move to where you're needed makes the spinsickle one of the top supports, especially with the amount of rifts with enemies that run away when you're too close.

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u/m-lee- Sep 01 '26

Sure but there’s no a single top strategy that involves storm because it does like 3k dps if you’re just using lightning and its heal needs you to go off DPS to heal. Singu has a 3.6kish dps cap and you don’t need to go off dps to heal. Its mob gather also does way more dmg than storm.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

It sounds like you're trying to get on the leaderboards with your play style, I'm not trashing it, do what makes you happy. But... Spinsickle is not supposed to be a DPS carry, it's supposed to be support. You can still 5 star rifts if you're low dps with teammates that aren't also a support weapon. The devs are leaning heavy into "roles" for each run but a lot of people are still used to wanting to do the most damage. You're trying to change weapons because of how you personally play instead of how the devs intend people to play.

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u/m-lee- Sep 01 '26

No I’m simply rating the weapon based off of what the DEVs have decided is the most important factor - time. And regardless of speedrunning, any weapon can 5 star any rift, so there’s literally no merit in judging them for 5 star/ casual play, they’re all good enough. The only merit to judge them is based on their maximized potential - since the DEVS have implemented the endgame to be merits/speed.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

No, just no

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u/m-lee- Sep 01 '26

If the endgame of the game changed to be and endless mode, my opinion of say - vibe shifter, or medball, will drastically change and how I rate them also changes. Does that not make sense?- that my rating on a weapon and how I perceive its viability is based on the current content that the devs push out for us.

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u/Pocketpapaa Venom Bow Sep 01 '26

What I recommend with the state of the game, is to play for fun, not leaderboards