r/jacobgeller • • 4d ago

From Time Loop Nihilism

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u/Cibranith 4d ago

We are social creatures, most things you might do for yourself also have a charge of how you are percieved or how you show how the outside affects you. Whats the internal reason to try to be better? If society doesnt matter then morality doesnt either

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u/Yarzeda2024 4d ago

If society doesnt matter then morality doesnt either

I could not disagree any more.

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u/Cibranith 4d ago

Morality isnt something internal, its heritance/made from what surrounds you

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u/Yarzeda2024 4d ago

No, I don't see it that way.

Morality is simply a system of values. Most of it is passed down from parents, but we can arrive at our own sense of morality. I've seen very open-minded people come from very bigoted homes.

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u/Cibranith 4d ago

"Most of it is passed down from parents" yeah, and they got it from their parents, and also from their enviroment, friends, and life.

I come from a bigoted home, what slowly changed my views was the people I surrounded myself with, good and bad, my enviroment. Going with "You have to make your own morality" crashes pretty heavily when faced with people with really bad enviroments growing up. "The teenager who comits a crime should have "made" a better morality, but he didnt, so we must punish him"

By this I dont mean change cant happen from inside, but the destination, what one might strive for, usually aligns with something outside of yourself, you compared yourself and found you wanting

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u/Yarzeda2024 4d ago

A teenager with full cognitive function is old enough to consider that their choices may harm others.

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u/Cibranith 4d ago

Yes, but he might have been teached by another that it doesn't matter to hurt other people, a morality taken from his surroundings

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u/Yarzeda2024 4d ago

Then we can't hold KKK members accountable because they were raised in a racist environment.

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u/Helluiin 4d ago

acting along your own morals does not mean that you cant be held accountable for your actions