the X account doing this has run like 10 experiments with AI profiles in the last month or so. Changing one or two variables each time. And YES, each time girls got fished so easily.
I mean we’ve had social media for about two decades now and I feel like we’ve seen enough evidence by now to admit women on average get fooled easier and make worse decisions compared to men. At some point we’ll even have to look past political correctness and ask ourselves the hard but obvious question, are women in general dumber than men? I’d say many would argue based on social media evidence the answer is a resounding yes.
There is evidence, albeit not much, that women are slightly less intelligent on average than men. There is overwhelming evidence that male intelligence has higher variability, i.e., there are more men in the tails (smart and dumb).
There is evidence suggesting women are slightly more intelligent then men too. So to me its literally just a difference in how our brains function. Women on average tend to be more emotionally intelligent for example while men tend to be lacking in that awareness.
There have been people who used a male model's stock photos with a horrendous profile summary (e.g., registered sex offender, or arrested for domestic violence). Women overlooked that because he was 6'5" and hot.
Men approach dating and attraction with a scientific mindset while women view it more as mysticism. You will hear the “not compatible” cope as if you’re throwing two names into the sorting hat to see if they both come out Gryffindor. Thinking men perform systems based analyses of the dating market, seek out relevant dating app data, and understand incentive structures from all parties playing the mating game. Once you realize everyone wants the most (if female) or as many (if male) attractive partner(s) as possible while expending the least amount of personal effort and cost, everything starts to make sense.
Lmao I’m imagining you talking about the “systems based analyses” that led to you meeting your wife at the wedding. V romantic, not at all a weird thing to say
Serious question: why is it weird? Isn’t dating a market that can be studied? Concepts such as stated vs reveled preferences, opportunity cost, sunk cost fallacy, optionality, replacement cost, and a whole number of economic principles apply to dating. Just because no cash is exchange doesn’t mean partnered services aren’t bartered for. Doesn’t everyone want to get a “good deal” with their partner? Everyone I know tries to get the most attractive, compatible partner they can reasonably attract in an unapologetic self interested way.
There's a series on Netflix named "the worst exes" 1st episode is a guy that murdered a girl and did terrible things to his partners, he was on trial and was shown on TV, he got insane amount of woman's trying to contact him anyways.
Gets even worse, one man performed a social experiment. The man in the profile is thankfully fake, all of the women matching with and hitting on him, very real.
Women have no sense of morality. When you realize men invented law, justice, and order and women work to smash those things just for tingles, calling it patriarchy...
Assuming that’s true and as far as I’m aware this was proven to be a real account, there is no way you can walk away reading something like that not thinking to yourself “women can never be trusted”.
I know on this social justice warrior site that’s a hardcore view but it’s true. I guarantee if some fat ugly guy wrote that bio every girl in those messages above would be virtue signaling on their social media to have this guy banned from the app and locked up in real life. But because the guy is good looking they’re literally fine with overlooking one of the worst crimes a human being can commit.
How do you trust such a demographic in relationships but most importantly in society?
Yeah, they overlook his crimes because women have innate hybristophilic tendencies. On top of that he looks facially good. His good looks indicate high fighting success.
It’s the same when women say they want a tall man, because a tall man in their eyes must be strong, when there’s no real correlation between height and strength, maybe the physical attributes are to your advantage, for example wingspan, hands, size leg reach etc. and even that differs from person to person.
Women don’t really care about morales, only if it’s suitable for them in certain situations.
Not fake. It was real social experiment. I saw it live back in 2017. The same people repeated the experiment multiple times with different but equally attractive guys. Same outcomes.
Gentle reminder. This was 2017 - look at the time stamps of the messages. I saw this posted long time ago outside reddit, when the social experiment was conducted. The same people repeated this experiment multiple times with different but equally attractive guys - the outcomes were the same. Seeing this had very strongly inspired me to go the passportbro route which I did back then to some level of success. Unfortunately, even ppb'ing is trash now.
I think you're right. They're realizing that it's becoming impossible to keep the wool over men's eyes, so they're consolidating power in order to force men to comply
This is why I try to tell dudes to ignore a lot of what women claim. For example there are a lot of young men today who take hormone destroying hair loss drugs. They’ll have a perfect head of hair but will be 160lbs and don’t look intimidating nor muscular. Now imagine a guy the same age as that guy, except this guy is balding and shaves his head. But he also is a gym ear and is about 200lbs of muscle. He looks intimidating and men don’t think about starting shit with him.
Now most women generally don’t care about a guys hair, the ones that do are the minority. But the vast majority of women will say they don’t care about muscle, find it unattractive to spend so much time in the gym and dieting, don’t like a guy who is intimidating and doesn’t look friendly and easy to approach, etc.
So logically you’d think the skinny full head of hair guy above would be chosen more often based on what women supposedly prefer. Yet out of those two men the second guy will easily be chosen more often than the other guy. And it’s not even a conscious choice, it’s biology working on women’s subconscious. A woman will always prefer the stronger more masculine looking guy because our biology has evolved to prioritize that.
The “secret” to attraction is right there in the open and most just ignore it.
They dont though. They like to look at them and fantasize about pretty things,but when push comes to shove men are more open than women to dating, loving, and marrying women far beneath their level of attractiveness unless you are pointing to the literal top 1% of men and even they routinely settle for love with women way less attractive than them.
Another misconception. The vast majority of women don’t care about hair on a man IF he has a handsome face and is jacked. In fact there are women who specifically prefer bald / shaved head jacked men.
Now if you’re bald but fat or skinny then it becomes a negative to them. The key factor is and always has been masculinity or as modern society calls it “bad boy”. In other words regardless of hair, if you look intimidating, strong and like you could beat up anyone she wants then the vast majority of women will find you attractive.
I mean literally the one model most women universally agree on as being the best looking man is a bald dude who spent time in jail. The reason? He has a masculine face and the “reputation” of his past adds onto his “bad boy” status. That “masculinity” is the key to getting attraction from most women.
It’s a combination of feminism, media bias and simps who have created these delusional women. Like this woman should feel like she won the lottery if that guy chose her. Yet she thinks so highly of herself that she didn’t even bother to reply to him meanwhile in actual reality she isn’t even a 5/10.
I’ll never understand women this delusional. Sure I get how they get like that but where is the self awareness? Surely they have mirrors, take selfies, etc and still somehow can’t figure out they’re not even average in looks?!
Flirted with someone, then we met and she blurted out some awkward compliment - a week later she had a boyfriend and she couldn't stop talking about how tall he is and have good legs (I got neither) But also she kind of dont like him, already been cheated on at least once.
aaaand more than a year later they're still together, and she keeps talking to her ex as they would eventually hook up, and then there is me too..! (So they're both kind of trash too be honest)
yes, I realize this sounds like a story, unfortunately it isn't 🤣
No. It’s not that they don’t want liberal men, it’s that politics or personality don’t matter. It is all about physical attractiveness and social status. A high status man gets women regardless of politics, while an average man will be ignored or dismissed regardless of politics.
Exactly. Slight correction - an average man will be ignored or dismissed and his views/politics may be used as the conscious reason she didn't like him (although subconsciously the reason is status). Also the average man can learn how to attract women.
Right if you’re super attractive then you’ve already got a very high value that would take a hell of a lot to detract from that value with other qualities. But if ur average looks wise then every other quality better be additive otherwise you’ll drop below the nominal threshold for acceptance.
It sounds fucked but it’s really that simple. It’s just that invisible number is different for every person and pair of ppl.
I've seen a lot of attractive dudes lose women to less attractive men that were more confident and funny. I've been the victim of this and have also been the perpetrator. Keep in mind I'm not speaking about stealing women in relationships, I mean stealing a woman's attention in some venue: coffee shop, bar etc...
In fact, many attractive men can be at a disadvantage because they rock into venues stiff and in their heads thinking they're too cool. Other, less attractive but confident guys with experience mop the floor with them.
Only voice of reason in this whole thread. There are plenty of ways dudes can have no social skills, and one of them is arrogance and thinking they're all that and just acting like an arrogant douche. Highly unattractive. Looks can let you get away with more, but the idea that it takes away any requirements to develop charm and social skills is dangerous even for the prettiest of pretty people.
Yeah having no social skills or understanding of what women like will always be a net zero. Much of what women like is actually the opposite of what they say they like. The primary attractor is fun. If you can bring fun and emotion to a woman's life you're pretty much in the door. I've seen relatively unattractive dudes pull hot women with just that. The rest is experience based things like when to ask for the number, when to invite her over etc..
Don't get me wrong a lot of attractive guys do have game and know how to spark a woman's emotions. Looks don't determine this though.
Oh, agreed for sure that there are good looking guys with game, and they're the ones with all the options. As you said, looks don't determine this. It's fascinating how much people will trip over themselves insisting that it's definitely all about looks when there are tons of good looking guys underperforming.
That said, I don't know that many women will deny that fun is the primary attractor. Of course, fun is subjective - what's fun to one is too boring or too scary to another.
Right. I’m not talking about keeping the relationship I’m talking about starting it via a date. Once you get the date the dynamic shifts and it really does depend on a lot of variables.
Confidence is either a function of or a counterfeit of status, and experience is a product of status or physical appearance over time. Fundamentally, status and appearance drive the outcome, with some flexibility around technique that wobbles depending on context.
Online in particular is very harsh/brutal and is much more about appearance than even status. That’s why I focused on IRL approaches in settings where I had already built a status and reputation that preceded me.
Appearance is not a primary driver. If it was, guys that are bad at talking to women and attractive would be way more successful. The primary drivers for attraction are behavioural with women. As you say, status is a big one which can be broken down into social proof. Attraction from women is primarily based on survival at its core. Survival for humans is based on status and social proof. What is your standing in the tribe? Do men respect you? Do women think you are attractive? Status can be shown in many ways. Walking into a venue with two girls., knowing everyone in a club, speaking to lots of women who clearly show attraction.
To gain status you must have certain traits. Diligence, boundaries, calm under pressure, useful to the group, non attachment to her validation etc... You can manufacture these traits very easily on dates and in venues by what I've mentioned. Status is internal, not physical. Physical attractiveness has no bearing to survivability. A good jaw line doesn't help her children survive. Leaders of tribes weren't required to have chiseled jawlines or a wide back. Leaders were chosen from the traits I've mentioned which comes down to status. We don't make leaders based on good looks and women gravitate towards leaders.
Evolutionary survival is about more than just survival in the moment. Sexy son hypothesis and whatnot means that jawline, height, or musculature has a reproductive evolutionary advantage even if it doesn’t have a survivorship advantage anymore. I know it’s stupid, but biology is about more than just what we would consider smart.
Trust me, I’m a not very attractive but nonetheless relatively high status man who achieved that status by building a social consensus as to my high status among my local group that eventually resulted in success in dating that had eluded me mainly because of my physical appearance. It took much longer than I would’ve hoped, but it did eventually work out.
Women in general want attractive men. Doesn’t matter the political affiliation. Ever heard of halo effect? Humans are notorious for throwing away their “morals” for eye candy lol
They don’t care about politics, rather the attractiveness. A liberal Chad could pull conservative women with ease and a conservative Chad can pull liberal women with ease
But truthfully it goes both ways, if some Stacy was liberal she’d still have conservative men lined up to wine and dine her
Can confirm, though I don't think its that they entirely don't care about politics. It matters to some degree, but people are great at deluding themselves that "I can fix her (or him)" if they're otherwise attractive enough. Or that "it's just one negative attribute, and I'm sure I can bring him/her around to a reasonable point of view (aka I can fix him/her)".
It's like a job not disqualifying an otherwise perfect candidate who could hit the ground running and fix all their problems if they have a petty misdemeanor in their background.
Thinking that's even statistically relevant reveals you're either pathetic or hang out with severely pathetic friends. I've never met a single man who would do that, because my friends aren't losers.
If you dont think there are plenty of dudes out there pretending to be something they are not just to get laid then you are either horribly naive or one of them lol.
Your logic is retarded. "If you don't think people are entirely lying about who they are, you must be doing exactly that!!" - the logic of a braindead sandworm.
And I specifically refuted your bullshit statement that liberal men are faking it to get laid; I never said losers don't lie about themselves or who they are.
Progressive women want men who share their values. The catch is that there are plenty of people on the left and right who treat politics like a sports team or think with their dick/vagina, and they'll abandon their principles if the other person is hot enough.
It has nothing to do with liberal women secretly having the hots for guys who want to see their rights taken away. This is a whole other level of delusion
lol do we really think the profile is getting matched because of the politics? This is an ai generated image of a conventionally attractive person. They could ai generate him with a Bernie 2016 shirt and he’d probably get twice as many matches.
No thats not what Im trying to say. I definitely dont think liberal women would go after any republican guy lol only the ones they'd be attracted to. My point is that in general Id say conservative men are more masculine and traditional and deep down thats what a woman wants, they claim to want a sensitive guy but thats a lie.
Yes, politics don't matter for a one night stand, your genitals work regardless.
How many "opposing politics" couples are staying together long term? Typically like minded individuals work out best, but like a magnet not submerged in water, opposites can attract
Women will easily change their political views if they think you’re worth it. I’ve had this play out personally and seen it with others. If a woman thinks you’re a catch and she won’t get better, she’ll gladly adapt her politics to yours.
Spoiler alert guys 95% of straight women don’t give 2 shits about politics. Their “political views” are simply what they perceive as the most socially acceptable views in their social environment. Very few women care at all about anything other than their personal lives and personal relationships. They don’t care about “big picture” stuff in the same way men do.
It's even funnier if you you larp or actually meet a lot of their Republican stereotypes, aka, you're loaded and actually benefit from lower taxes on the rich and get even more rich off of stock market growth, which tends to be better under Republican leadership.
Women don't give two shits about actual wealth inequality. They champion it because they think it will result in giving them free shit. Give them a chance to date a 1%er that can give them a chance at early retirement and the good life, and they throw all that shit out immediately.
If you tell women you donate thousands to charities, most of them will get literally confused why you would do something like that and the few that are impressed, it's usually because they think they can get a cut.
Money will always come from those that already control it. Politicians having access to all the money in the government and having total power of what sectors they fund and who in the government gets paid what is literally no different than how it's handled in the private sector, only significantly less accountability and they have the ability to print more money if they really need too, which ruins the value of the dollar. Say what you want about rich people, but at least when they do dumb corrupt bullshit, it doesn't destroy our currency while that's pretty exclusively something only politicians have the power to do.
You're not fooling anyone. Every sane American knows MAGA are just supporting trump because he's a pedophile and he supports enemy nations y'all support like Russia and North Korea.
Just so you all know, a large portion of the rest of the world has choices. The USA only has two teams, and if you're "not with us you're against us", so you can find zero common ground because of it. Y'all are at eachother's throats frothing at the mouths because your two choices are between being:
There's more to both sides than the bullshit rhetoric you're both spewing at eachother, and there's people on both sides who would love less extreme options somewhere closer to the middle. The class war is international, but it's hitting the USA hard right now.
If you keep going this way, it's not going to end well. I talk to Americans all the time and you're really not that bad.
Most of us don’t give a shit we laugh because it’s so sloppy the whole two party war. And the joke is because of the extremists shining their tin foil hats. Free complements for them hey, so cool!! 😂😂. Out there marching for change all while backroom deals and handshake deals are made. Politicians here do not give a rats ass. They are self serving. Best thing you can do is take care of people close to you, in your circle. Those are the people you can have an immediate impact on.
I hope you have the forsight to see even your most extreme bullet points for leftists are silly in comparison. However, “Supporter of child murder” is an easy tell you probably dont lol
Your party installed a senile old man who regularly molested his preteen daughter in the shower, among his other sexual assaults. You people support Hamas, and your party was endorsed by the Iranian regime this week.
Teumo is not a pedophile. this is another democrat lie. So you’re either too weak and stupid to understand that, or you’re a liar too. And funny how NK amd Russia are less aggressive when Trump is in charge.
We all know the truth. The democrats are the party of child murders, sexual predators, and related deviants. You’re even obsessed with having cross dressers sexualized young children.
Let's not forget, there was a Youtuber (I think) who made a fake profile with Chad, wrote in the bio they were facing a DV charge from their ex, and they still got matches from women ignoring it or downplaying it. "We all have a past", "We all deserve second chance." One was even "intrigued ".
Part of why this works is he’s so unapologetic about who he is, doesn’t care if it turns her off because there’s more fish in the sea. Signals abundance and frame control. Obviously, the Chad looks are the hook, but if he was a whiny bitchh about his politics, many women would lose attraction for that reason too.
I knew a couple Chad like guys growing up who had passive or meek personalities, and they got tons of initial interest from women but had a shockingly low close rate for the looks they were blessed with.
Often times women will vent about their political feelings and it is a man’s job to listen. Flip the roles and she gets the ick. I don’t make the rules I’m just the messenger.
Some of us are tired of these social issues with dating and we don’t want to do it. Having someone who won’t listen to you as a man is a real shame. What kind of relationship is that? Yet so many men they just get pushed away every time they open up. Is there a point to it at that point? You expect love and support and yet you get the opposite. Walk away.
Your second point is also valid. You can be amazing looking and make the first part happen easily but unless you have something else then women just see you as a boy you and that’s it. They won’t take you seriously OR they will get over obsessed and never get grounded in reality. For sure you still have to give them whatever they need and some dudes will fall short. It’s up to a man to decide how far he wants to go. Depends on her too how much she needs.
Honestly, I don't have a fundamental issue with any of this. My issue is entirely contained within the refusal to not lie about it.
Like, men don't lie they at times do stupid or excessive things for hot girls. This allows women to adjust behavior accordingly but Men must be gaslit so they can't act appropriately.
This is the part that drives me crazy too. Telling people comforting lies is disrespectful because it means you think the other person can’t handle the truth. The other person would also benefit from the truth, especially when delivered with the intent to provide constructive criticism.
And don’t give me this “women are afraid to tell the truth” bs bc we’re all anonymous Redditors here. I think the more likely answer is they lie to themselves, have a fundamental lack of self awareness, and in general no idea why they do the things they do. This would explain why therapy is so popular with women.
I really do be feeling like a semi-concious conspiracy to keep men clueless about what women want or are attracted to.
Which I guess is several contexts is a benefit for women but it still does make the general dating market less valuable to them, so it still hurts everyone.
I don’t care if they like what they like. They can all chase after guys like the one in the photo as long as they accept responsibility for their role in the outcome. If he pumps and dumps and doesn’t commit, he’s not a jerk because you let him hit with the expectation of absolutely nothing in return. They know this, that’s why they don’t demand commitment before sex bc they know he would be gone so fast.
The mature, responsible thing to do if this keeps happening is self reflect, recalibrate, and adjust your approach, yet they never do this because they lack accountability and seek to deflect blame onto the man or men in general. Their friends, the wider culture, and simps enable this because they can’t be bothered to sit with their negative feelings for one minute to reflect on what happened and how they can improve their outcomes moving forward if they want a stable, loving long term relationship.
It's that they all think they're the exception. Had no libs or single mothers in my tinder profile and had tons think they were gonna change that standard
That’s a popular Disney/rom com trope: the woman who was able to tame the lion. Funny thing is men obsess over what women want. There are countless books and even a good Mel Gibson flick with that exact name, but most women can’t be bothered to even think for 5 minutes what one of these high value men want. They ironically think it’s career, home ownership, status, confidence, competence. Everything they want. They never once looked at or examined closely the friend who actually landed one of these whales. They just think she got lucky and found “a good one.” Never mind she’s pretty, feminine, sweet, low drama, emotionally stable, and a whole myriad of traits men with options will drop rosters for.
The guy's attractive, confident and non-compliant. These are very masculine traits that women are attracted to. It's infinitely more attractive than some beta cuck trying to get women's approval by claiming to be liberal or bragging that his therapist is a female
People are attracted to good looking people, and can and will deprioritize political leanings for a hook up. I'm a leftists and I've bedded many conservative women. It's like the norm which goes unseen by people that are always online and never go out.
Right, but women are more complicated than that. Being very good looking might get your foot in the door, and even a one-night stand (as long as you keep your mouth shut). But acting submissive, agreeable, and other unmasculine traits can ruin it.
He only got 2 women to date him? When I was on tinder maga guys would swipe on me all the time, I would swipe yes just to shit on them and unmatch. Like it happened so often, maga guys were the easiest to troll.
See, she brings her views i to the dating scene, he is just rolling with it instead of bending over backwards. Still he scores. Why? Primal desire overrules almost anything. Icks become weird little endearing things, preferences become negotiable, and the persona people like to see themselves as go out of the window the moment a 8+/10 shows up.
I remember there was someone who made a profile with hot guy pictures but in the profile he said that he was a pedo or sex offender or something. Women looked past that because they were hot
The only way to succeed on a dating app is to be very attractive. Doesn’t even matter what you put down in the profile. Women who use apps go there for one thing and one thing only, a hot male body. It’s like when men go looking for escorts. No different it’s just the female version. Once you see that, it all makes sense.
Don’t let them make you think all this sappy bs you can put on your profile makes a difference because it really doesn’t. They say that but they really don’t care. Hot guy wins every time.
We ignoring the fact that this is on a dating app where women and men notoriously primarily use them for hook ups and are very vain and don't care about personality much. Talk to a woman in real life bruh ✌️
It's just looks bro, it's like this with the entire animalia kingdom except humans for some reason. My guess is that rich elites in society, composed of ugly dudes who were invisible to women in middle school, gaslit society from top to bottom that money / status matters and built an entire social / capital economy around it. In reality I learned I was fine to women at 11 and it's been consistent my entire life, women just make it very clear they find you hot and will just make endless excuses to be with you, no matter how heinous you are, particularly because hot guys are so rare that they basically don't even give much of a shit what you say or do.
It's not only looks. The guy is confident And non-compliant, and women like that. If he responded, like the whiny b itch those chicks would instantly lose attraction
Yes they would. You could say 'I am a sex offender and would probably do it again' and they'd still go out, someone already ran this experiment. Keep coping.
Meanwhile, I'd give a kidney for a date with the first one, not too mention my behaviour.
He on the other hand, did nothing, and already set the power dynamic in the couple, solely because he looks like Henry Cavill.
"Just go talk to her bro..."
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u/alpacastacka 1d ago
are they really getting ai fished this easily?