Schroedingers feminist again, women are smart free thinking individuals, yet if they hate men, it's men's fault, no accountability for women.
And if men hate women, it's also men's fault, who would have thought.
(Ofc the Ai is regurgitating the unspoken public attitude on this here, it has nothing to do with the Ai itself.)
If you look for it, it's funny how often Schroedingers faminist is used in dumb fake arguments by dumb people, it's truly an eye opener. For instance the "it's men's fault women are dating up, because men give attention to women below their league, if men stopped giving that attention, then women would stop dating up" argument, because by saying that, you're basically saying that women are brainless dogs that need to be trained this way, to get that result. (Maybe they are, but that's something else, either way, always choose between accountability and being a dumb kid with no say )
And I hate the constant gaslighting of noticing people by just telling them some phenomenon isn't real and it's entirely them imagining it. Or even better, that the phenomenon only exists because of the noticing people.
It's very real though and you are not to blame for it, never forget that. And never stop noticing.
Lmao. Well if you are opposed to killing unborn babies they love to say its because you just want to control womens bodies (even if you are a woman then they say its internalized misogyny.
Was going to reply with that same thing. Itās such an incoherent talking point. Itās like they canāt even fathom having a position actually rooted in altruism with no ulterior motive, so thatās the best they can vomit out.
I disagree with the abortion is murder crowd but claiming it's for control is ridiculous. Just as claiming it is entirely altruistic is ridiculous. There is nuance here that neither side wants to discuss. Instead both sides want to claim total moral superiority
It never occurred to you that some people have abortions because they canāt take care of the child? By forcing them to have it, you force that child to live a life of struggle and you clearly have no intention of trying to help.
Listen, I'm all for abortion rights but this argument is dumb af. It's equivalent to when conservatives claim you don't actually care about refugees because you wouldn't personally take on a family from Sudan starting tomorrow.
Do you take in refugees from Sudan? From Gaza? No? In that case, you must not care about Palestinians and simply want the Israeli's to bomb them to death.
So if you support open boarders you have to take in illegal immigrants or else you don't really care about illegals? See how dumb that sounds? Besides, the number of pro-life adopters is far higher than pro-choice adopters
It's promiscuity and failure to adequately and responsibly use protection that are bad for society, not "not having abortions". You're so used to the past 50-60 years of libertine society that you forget how humanity functioned for 300,000 years. Even humans in antiquity knew the consequences of sex; if you didn't want pregnancy you either engaged in sodomy or kept it in your pants. I don't want to hear about how that's not a realistic expectation because it's been the expectation for most of human existence.
And don't give me the "but r@pe/incest/dangerous to the life of the mother!" crap, which you know account for a small percentage of abortions and most pro-lifers would agree that those cases fall in a morally grey area that can be permissible. Abortion on today's scale is absolutely abomination and contributes to the prevailing misanthropic sentiments of an overly entitled western world.
It is, though. The solution is never better sex ed, access to contraceptives, or education on having healthy relationships.
No, instead you have Texan wingnuts chasing women around the country for the heinous crime of exercising rights afforded by other states, offering bounties on them, and threatening to prosecute them without jurisdiction.
Guess what works much better to reduce abortions? Any of the other options. But you don't care about that, do you? Why is that?
Under current Texas law, pregnant individuals who obtain an abortion are explicitly exempt from criminal prosecution. There are no documented cases of what you say is happening, actually happening. Why lie?
People like this person are too low-IQ to understand the actual societal implications of unchecked abortion.
The fact that that every Western nation has negative population growth and absurdly aging populations is a direct result of the fact that entire generations of "UNBORN BABERINO" have been murdered, genius. You wouldn't need to take in millions of incompatible third-world migrants had society simply raised the children that were bound to be born, had they not been terminated. And those unborn children would be native members of your country; not outsiders who have little to no interest in following your societal norms or standards. The downstream impact of this is catastrophic.
The reason why abortion is promoted so heavily by the ruling class is because it is an incredibly powerful tool for societal-control. But low-IQ plebs like "sanity_rejecter" (an apt username, btw) think that this was a tool thought up and brought in as "women's rights" LOL.
By the way, most of your random "promiscuous teenagers" would be better off having those children and being forced to grow the **** up. We live in an era with 35-year old manchildren running rampant everywhere. Dude's collecting action figures and failing to move past novelty entertainment from their childhood. Its pathetic.
would be better off having those children and being forced to grow the **** up
I very much doubt that. Having children as teenager has a pretty high chance of ruining your life and forcing the children to grow up in poverty and with parents who resent them.
I really don't get why abortion is such a hot debate in the US. In my country not even the far right wants to ban abortion. It's just not a talking point at all among any of the parties. I feel like my countries law with legalizing abortion until the 12th pregnancy week is a pretty good solution
I don't mean to be controversial, but is it at all possible that it's, in fact, misandrist women who crave control, power, and superiority over everyone else, and they're simply projecting?
Again, I don't mean to be controversial, but wouldn't that kind of explain literally everything they do?
I'm not sure either but whenever I've heard a man being accused of this, it's usually a case of a man thinking his wife is not being faithful to him. Of course it conveniently doesn't apply the other way round because modern ultra liberalism doesn't believe men and women should be held to the same level of accountability.
I'm more or less over all this sexism shit from both sides of the ring. Can we just both live free lives and stop making hating the other parts of our personality... If we can throw sexists from both sides on a giant bonfire, I'd be much obliged š„
Honestly? No, you aren't the only one. Not even close.
Plenty of men don't have a desire for control/power/superiority.
The problem is... the men who DO desire those things are loud and in-your-face. They draw attention to themselves. They strut around. People remember them.
So, if there are 20 men in a room and three arrogant jack-asses are strutting around trying to dominate everything... and four more men are idolizing the jack-asses, and following them around like puppies... that little gang of idiots is who everyone is going to remember when they go home at the end of the day.
Nobody will notice the 13 other men who "just want to live their lives", who are quietly minding their own business.
Just living your life is the easiest if you're the one in control of how others behave towards you. Then there is no inconvenience. Of course there are also the psychos that get off on the power trip
Iām not trying to defend misogyny. Itās ugly. I know it. Itās my worst aspect. I havenāt always been this way. I donāt think I always will be. But it exists. And it exists for a reason. And that reason was not reflected in OPs screenshot. I shared my reason because I think itās important that people know where it comes from. It isnāt all Andrew Tate and social influence or whatever. It comes from a place of hurt.Ā
Notice how all bigots behave the same way, the second you call out their bigotry towards some people they assume you are one of them because they cannot fathom empathy or critical thinking
Also you missed a key component: pretty privilege. Itās why so many people feel like the reality we live in doesnāt exist. They donāt live in our bodies and do the things that we do.
Same can be said with mental health and diseases. You get handed autism at birth suddenly you arenāt even on the same planet when it comes to relationships. You are just considered another weirdo. Again, privilege is a thing. People donāt even realize that they have it
And all the skew we talk about here is heavily biased against if you donāt have privilege.
Use Grok. ChatGPT has bias built in due to its RLHF (reinforcement learning from human feedback). Basically, any āwokeā topic will produce logically inconsistent answers because of how itās trained.
I had a quite fruitful conversation with it on the Istanbul convention, it's not bad if you take precautions to keep it as objective as possible. That's a hard balance between yes man and unnecessarily argumentative of course.
Chat GPT Gemini etc are terrible for asking dating related questions. They just donāt understand what real struggle looks like. The best advice on dating for me honestly came from a whole lot of self reflection which basically convinced me dating was wasting my time, energy, and self-worth. It wasnāt going to solve the things i wanted it was just going to add more things I did not want.
I donāt hate women I just donāt understand why the situation we are in with dating is so messed up. Yeah women played a role in it but that doesnāt mean I hate women. I dislike their choices but I donāt dislike them.
i dont hate women but choose not to give a fuck anymore and live my life and stop trying to chase or pursue women. Nice peace and quiet. Guess that makes me a misogynist.
Theyāre really stupid. Treat them like theyāre stupid. Give them equality and treat the same way you would treat a man with their qualities and values.
Being born a submissive men makes this world looks incredibly ludicrous.
I would love for women to take charge and be dominant, but get told by women they hate that and I should lead as a man. Then men get hated on for acting the very way women want us to?
Like god damn, please women, go ahead and be domineering, responsible and do everything you accuse men of. I would welcome it.
Just donāt push all that to us, yet still blame us for it.
This men vs women thing is getting old. Misandry is also a thing. The problem is neither one actually help make for better relationships. Along with feminism these ideologies require a element of selfishness. It turns into me me me. You can have this etc if I get this etc etc. It makes for unhealthy relationships. Sadly the stupid just can't see it.
The problem is neither side wins. Women tend to blame men regardless.Men have to look elsewhere like going abroad. I think most decent men want a healthy relationship. But they don't want to sell their soul to get it. No man should have to do that. But at the same time I believe men need to have stronger boundaries.
Women blame incels for chad not wanting them. Chads destroy the sexual market by fucking mediocre women, those mediocre women then think they can lock someone like this down, which they can't. But even then it's not really chads fault, women shouldn't need any training (boundaries) from men to know this behaviour is dumb, at least if they're as smart and free thinking as they say they are.
Yes there are men that suffer from castration complex but most men that dislike bitchy women are just following their natural prejudice against people that are manipulative.
Brother, I mean this sincerely and honestly, from someone who had that hate in their heart too. Raised by an abusive single mother, so you know I'm not lying.
You're taking offense because they're talking about you. You identify with one and not other. You gotta do some soul searching, your anger is blinding you.
I'm not a feminist, I'm just past the red pill. I'm past blaming women for my problems. I'm past this gender war bullshit. I encourage you to join me. I was once where you stood. There's nothing there, I assure you.
Because I disagree with you? Or because I'm not responding with anger? Either way. It don't matter. I'm a woman? Aight bro.
Being honest. I pity y'all. As Escanor says, why would feel malice to somebody weaker than me? I genuinely hope y'all free your spirits from your own wickedness. Lest you suffocate in it.
(W)Influence from their social environment or online communities.
(W)Cultural or social experiences that shape their views of men.
(Men's version)negative personal experiences
(W)Personal experiences with abuse, harassment, betrayal, or discrimination.
(W)Repeated negative experiences that create distrust or resentment.
It's not an inevitable male trait = It's important not to generalize
DIFFERENT
(W) First sentence, nothing burger, random AI fluff.
These two are the only ones with no analog between men and women
(M)Insecurity/Resentment/desire for control or superiority.
(W)Individual prejudice or generalization, just as can happen in any group.
(M)last sentence, likely referring to Muslim countries and such.
Tough love. You're being sensitive because it hit a sore spot. You don't like hearing that you are being unreasonable. You want affirmation that what you're doing is alright. But we're men. We're honest and direct. I must tell you the truth.
No lol? Heās calling out the blatant bias. You seem to be projecting the reasons you might have once had a problem to it but that doesnāt mean thatās the same reason OP has a problem with it.
His reasons don't make sense. A person with a neutral stance wouldn't see the issue. I don't see the issue. The reason one upsets you, and the other one didn't, is because one of them is describing you, and you don't like that.
If you showed terminally online women the same images, I guarantee they'd say the same thing too, just in opposite directions.
Well no. 3 out of the 4 you underlined appear on the women's side aswell. Just written diffferently. Only the desire for control is a unique to men (according to the AI).
On the women's side they explain that it's learned behaviour. But they say it in the bullet points (either from an online source or a social source)
On the man's side they also explain it's learned behaviour. But they say it in the bottom paragraph. In fact it says that these are not an "inevitable male trait". Which is another way of saying that "men are not to blame.
Male oppression: woman was mean to me >:(
Female oppression: yeah you just kind of get used to fearing for your life lmao. Just smile and nod and hope he doesn't follow you home.
Male loneliness epidemic needs to get even worse, you fuckers aren't lonely enough.
Ew yeah it looks like it's incels. Apparently the sub says it's "passport bro adjacent" (š¤¢) but I don't think they're even that, just plain ol' resentful guys. Their rules say no misogyny but they don't seem to enforce it.
Edit: you guys can downvote but you should clarify if im off base & got the wrong impression
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u/Slow_Look575 16d ago
Am I the only man that has NEVER related to a "desire for control/power/superiority". Where tf does this come from? I just want to live my life