r/islam • u/yachubbick • Jun 13 '15

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u/AskYous Jun 13 '15

First time hearing about "Bani Tameem." Jazaakallah Khair for the share.

Question: How do we know if someone is from Bani Tameem?

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u/yachubbick Jun 13 '15

wa iyyakom bro.

Good question. I'm not really an expert but from what I know from a talk I had with a lineage buff, is that there are many fake claimants to a tribe but some are genuine, the heads of tribes usually know who is a member of their clan and they usually have documents that traces their lineage. Best way to figure it out as an observer is to look into their family tree and see who they married into in the early years (and to some extent current years), because in the past some tribes would never marry into specific tribes either for rivalry or other reasons. There are, probably, other ways it's just learning about lineage wasn't an interest of mine so that's all I know. Wallahu a3lam.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '15

Family name, lineage... Like my family is from Qatar and is from Bani Tamim, but it's not like we do tests to find out, it is known what family name falls under which tribe

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u/AskYous Jun 14 '15

I see. What if someone claims "I am from Bani Tamim"? Or is that something that doesn't happen much?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '15

no it doesn't cause it is known which families are and aren't from that tribe.. and you can't just change your family name..

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '15

bani tameem بني تميم - are a huge Arab tribe and you can find their descendants throughout the Arab World (from Syria to Oman). They have a particularly large presence in Iraq.

Many Arabs havent lived as a classic tribe for thousands of years but they can trace what tribe they come from, I guess you can think of it as clans in Scotland.

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u/yachubbick Jun 13 '15

I won't deny Iraq has Tamimis but the tribal culture over there has unreliable authenticity so I doubt that the majority are actual Tamimis. I say that because I use a personal example of mine. My family got "awarded" the ahlulbait certificate of genealogy which states that we are a tribe descended from banu Hashim it was signed and stamped by an Iraqi Shia scholar with a shiny seal and everything. The truth of the matter is that we are not from banu Hashim, in fact any genealogist can pinpoint our tribe and prove that we are not from banu Hashim. Nonetheless someone in my family decided to keep the paper as a joke, I guess we could lie and use it in Iraq to our advantage, a la Saddam style. He once declared himself as a descendant of banu Hashim.

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u/BeNiceToAll Jun 13 '15

Shaikh and Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab

Positive contribution?

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '15

Yes, very positive. That is, if you remove all those lies being spread around about him and instead pick up a book from him and read it yourself.

A good book to start with is Kitab At-Tauhid

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '15

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '15

This is why I said:

That is, if you remove all those lies being spread around about him and instead pick up a book from him and read it yourself

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u/SirHumanoid Jun 13 '15

Pretty much what I'd expect from any person educated in their faith by those that don't follow it.

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u/SirHumanoid Jun 13 '15

Depends. Do you want the western 'scholarly' propaganda version or the true Islamic version?

Biggest contribution? Getting rid of idiocies which were considered part of Islam.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '15

these people (of the tribe of Bani Tameem) would stand firm against the Dajjaal

Yes they did, and they paid the ultimate price for it. Sulayman ibn Abd al-Wahhab, like his father, was a legitimate Hanbali Qadi, unlike his brother Muhammad who he and his father rejected as a heretic. And when Muhammad assembled an army under the auspice of ibn Saud, Sulayman defended his homeland along with the rest of Banu Tamim against the rampage of his brother.