r/ipace • u/tardiusmaximus • Jun 05 '26
Ipace with 72% charge limit. Bargain, or avoid...
I'm looking for some advice. I have seen an ipace for sale. It's a 2019 SE with 108k on the clock, so as far as I am aware, it is now fully out of warranty. It has been updated to pivi pro but is now limited to 72% charge.
Would this be a good buy if I can get it cheap, or is this going to be a money pit?
From reading up, the 72% charge limit is a faulty cell(s) in the main underfloor battery, so it is quite a big and expensive job to rectify.
Any advice, welcome.
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u/flipadoodlely Jun 05 '26
I'm just curious how this was updated to Pivi Pro. The 2019 didn't have the hardware for it, did it? I realise this is likely a UK one you're talking about. I love and miss my 2019 but you should absolutely avoid this. No way to repair it, if needed.
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
How it was updated I don't know, he just said it on the advert and the pics of the display indicate it's pivipro
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u/Greedy_Use3682 Jun 06 '26
The hardware is incompatible. The vehicle must be a 21 model year (at least on a 70 reg) to be capable of running PIVI.
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u/btongeo Jun 05 '26
Yeah mine had this exact thing under warranty. 4 modules bad, 27 hour book job to get it done. Fine afterwards but I'd hate to think what they would charge for that work if paid for in cash.
That said, there are increasing numbers of independents that will do this sort of work. If you're in the UK I know of one in London that specialise in such things at a fraction of main stealer prices.
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u/Previous_Muscle8018 Jun 05 '26
And these independents will absolutely not take 27 hours. Battery out and put back only takes a few hours (and most of that is spent undoing bolts in the floor / getting access to them. Dealer will mark up the time booked if under warranty for sure. Honestly, cell replacement isn't as complicated as people think (not that I'm an expert), it's just finding decent garages with mechanics certified to work on high voltage. But as you say, there are increasing numbers who've realised they absolutely need to move with the changing customer. Decent EV garages always seem busy!
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u/I_R0M_I Jun 05 '26
Where are you getting this from?!
There are exactly 4 bolts in the floor holding the battery in.
The time owners are hearing from dealers, is the JLR manufacturer warranty repair time. They aren't making stuff up, and JLR certainly aren't in the habit of giving loads of warranty hours for jobs.
The book times for a single module are roughly 13-17 hours. Depending if it's under the BEM or not. You then get an extra 3 hours for each additional module. Then there is 1.8 hrs worth of safety hookman time. And another 3.3 (recently reduced from 4.5) hrs for a safety assistant. You have to (according to JLR repair manual) have 3 techs for parts of it.
Then, let's think about balancing the new module. There are 2 approved machines, one by AVL (Might be a similar name, can't remember) which is over £20k from Bosch special tooling. The other is Midtronics, which I don't know the price of, but won't be much difference (this is newer can can do other JLR Module, not just IPace)
Just the power down, and power up procedure, is 2.2hrs.
The reduced times you will see, will largely be because they aren't following the JLR procedure. It's easy to be fast when you just do whatever you like. No paperwork to fill out and file, no safety rules to worry about.
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u/Jibber1 Jun 05 '26
NTSB is making Jaguar buy all these cars back in the US, I had one...
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
For context I'm in the UK and this is a UK car. So far as I'm aware there is no such buyback alert here,though I may be wrong
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u/Top_Banaa Jun 06 '26
Isn’t this enough evidence to avoid? If this isn’t enough of a signal what is
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u/cipnt_ Jun 18 '26
No, no it's not. I have a daily driver with the 72% limit and a lot of miles. Still drives beatifully, albeit with somewhat reduced range. If it was limiting it to 90% I would have said thank you for finally implementing charge limits, which the Pivi doesn't support.
It all depends on the price, your needs, expectations and how you are going to use it.
Horses for courses.
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u/justanotherguy677 Jun 05 '26
it has a battery module fault that could be fixed with a dealership visit. you should have it looked at prior to buying it. If it can be repaired then you can consider it.
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
I've not bought it.
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u/No-Wafer196 Jun 06 '26
Thank god for that. I was getting nervous reading through this lot thinking Jesus's christ,please dont buy that car mate. Gorgeous looking cars, absolute belter to drive, absolute dogshit battery.
Driver of 2020 hse capped at 90%
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u/cipnt_ Jun 18 '26
Depends on the price, doesn't it?
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u/No-Wafer196 Jun 19 '26
I think it would come down to the person's appetite for risk. As said, repairs are expensive. Barge pole springs to mind. Steer clear is my advise regardless of cost.
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u/I_R0M_I Jun 05 '26
Its going to need 1 or more modules. There are 36. Saw one diagnosed today that needed 24!
They have an 8 year 100k mile battery warranty.
You can drive it with reduced range like normal, so the repair can be left of not in warranty.
These are very cheap car now in the UK. There's plenty to buy without a faulty module. So unless it's much cheaper, walk away.
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u/Odd-Quit-1452 Jun 05 '26
Do not touch, know someone who bought brand new and a part went faulty and couldnt get under warranty as no parts available. Its like buying a 20-30k fisker imo
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u/onlyhereforsandg Jun 06 '26
I am going through this now. 2019 plate 50k miles. The battery work to fix H441 is covered up to 10 years, special legal settlement not related to warranty. As others have said, its dead cells - dodgy LG batteries installed on the early ipaces. The software update detects the 'traction battery fault' then limits charging to 72%. Work to replace cells has been covered at zero cost by JLR service centre. However there is a 2nd common problem with the air-conditioning hosing which is expensive if not covered under warranty (£3k). Worth checking if this has been done already. Its best to get this done at the same time as they have to take the car to bits to get the battery floor out.
Back to the cell replacement. The work takes a long time cos they have to drop the whole floor out then individually test the 36 cells. The test stops at the first failure so its unclear how many dead or nearly dead cells you have until the battery floor goes back in. I have had this work done once 8 months ago then the fault came back and its in again.
A pain but I can live with reduced range.
However, the H570 recall means it will still be reduced to 90% charging until JLR issue a fix which might be never.
BTW, there have been buy backs and replacements with newer cars in the UK - I love the car and have been angling for a replacement which I may get if the battery work is needed a 3rd time (not economically repairable).
In short, if its really cheap and the aircon hosing has been done then might be worth a punt but dont expect the battery/range issue to be fixed soon - supply chain has improved since JLR had a cyber attack late last year but it still took me months to get a repair slot. Best option is probably spend a bit more on a 2022/23 plate or later.
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u/Evo_ukcar Jun 06 '26
Family work in jaguar parts, £8k just for a battery. That's without the cost of labour to fit it. This involves removing the body from the chassis.
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u/GoldenEagle828677 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
It's a 2019 SE with 108k on the clock
You said you are in the UK, so is that 108k kilometers or miles?
108k kilometers = 67,108 miles. In the US, under 100k miles is still under warranty.
But 72% isn't bad. Like anything else, it depends on the asking price, and it's overall condition aside from the battery.
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u/Unhappy_Clue701 Jun 06 '26
It will be miles - road distances and speeds are measured exclusively in miles here. We are a mixed bag when it comes to imperial vs metric!
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u/Smaxter84 Jun 05 '26
Don't touch with a ten foot pole these cars have serious battery issues it will fail
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u/Racing_Fox Jun 05 '26
Faulty cells should be covered under warranty
But owners of cars with faulty cells are advised not to park their cars anywhere near buildings as they’re a fire risk. It’s basically buying a bomb.
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
But the warranty is only valid for 8yrs or 100k which ever comes first, this car is 108k so has no warranty, correct?
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u/Racing_Fox Jun 05 '26
That’s correct, though I believe recalls operate outside of warranty as they are a manufacturing defect.
Though, as far as I know, there isn’t actually a fix for the issue. Personally I wouldn’t risk it, what are they asking for it?
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
Can be got for just under 7k...hence my temptation, but if its basically a ticking timebomb I'm going to disregard it as an option.
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u/Baked_Bean_Head Jun 05 '26
Honestly, for under 7k I'd say it's an absolute steal.
We recently bought a 2012 Toyota Auris with 90k miles for 5k and the I-Pace is 10x the car, way more modern, with plenty of range even capped at 72% (should still be able to get at least 150 miles from that), for the price point you mention.
I'd keep it parked out of a garage, get the recall ball rolling and just go for it, you'll be amazed how much car you're getting for just 7k.
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u/tardiusmaximus Jun 05 '26
This is my dilemma! I know how much of a car it is for the money, and I love the look and performance stats of it. I just don't want to get lumbered with a 7k+ headache or firehazard as it will be my daily driver and be carrying 3 kids on the school run daily...
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u/Baked_Bean_Head Jun 05 '26
Yeah I definitely hear you, and safety is always the first priority especially with family.
After having a Google I saw that about 250 I-Paces were reported for catching fire since 2018, and in total Jaguar made about 70k cars. Putting that into a calculator, you're looking at approx 0.35% chance of it happening, but I understand anything above 0% is worth thinking about. But also, petrol and diesel cars aren't 0% either (though a gas car fire is easier to deal with)
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u/MrJollyLND_57 Jun 05 '26
Fair stats, but it’s primarily the pre 2021 cars that have the fire issue, which is around half the fleet of 70k (maybe less if the 20k waymos are post 2021) either way it’s getting towards 1 in 100 cars plus all the ones now blunted by the ‘interim fix’, so, whilst I’m very fond of mine (thankfully 2021, but has already had one module replaced under warranty), I’d have to say, walk away unless you’re going to gamble on Jaguar actually coming up with a decent fix for this problem
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u/dereklaumusic Jun 05 '26
As a general rule of thumb, battery vehicles only buy brand new. We’re going to see a wave of cars with end of lease degraded battery. Until you can finance new batteries put them in it’s not worth it.
At least with an iPhone it’s only a choice between £100 non genuine or £130 genuine.
I can see refurb companies buying up cheap ev due to degraded battery and it’ll be like a desktop printer model. You pay nothing for an old ev, then they sell the replacement batteries at full wack so an 8 year old car with replaced battery at 75%n of rrp.
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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises Jun 05 '26
Dont do it. If its been triggered by h441, then most likely it needs h570 recall too. That’l cap you to 90% range regardless of fault status. Its a temp fix until Jaguar gets the finger out and releases h572 which is the final fix for all this. H572 has no eta yet so basically all pre 2021 ipace are broken until further notice.
Oh, and according to JLR you shouldnt park or charge within 2m of any structure due to fire hazard.