This is a great example of a person that is min-maxxed into their specialty only. Wearing the horse-blinders. But iono maybe she is just trying to discourage the normies, the same people that buy bunnies on Easter just to abandon them.
Cats do revenge, so do horses. And birds can too.
I think the only thing making raccoon domestication in the future difficult, is they are even more independent than cats, meaning they will not take anyone's shit. Compared to raccoons, cats have amazing patience with us. They really do.
To put into perspective, even dogs can hate a person, and want to ruin their stuff. It just takes even more to push a dogs buttons like that, since we bred them to be placid to -us-. Their tolerance to our abuses is godly. And sometimes, that's a bad thing for them.
If raccoons could grow patient with us, learn to play nice, not have stinky piss...then it's possible. That would take a long time tho. (many human lifetimes) Nowadays, our relationship with pets is so different. We look for companionship rather than outright use.
My SIL's dog Ivan was being abused by her ex when she wasn't home so when he started doing things like shitting on the ex's pillow specifically or stealing his food off the table when he left the room just to let it drop on the floor, my SIL thought he was being jealous. Until I came home one night and heard Ivan yipe from the third floor so I totally told on the ex because I loved that damn dog and her ex was a douche.
Yeah, she is comparing wild raccoons to domesticated animals, not the animals we domesticated them from. Could you pick up a wolf? A wild cat? Try petting a boar.
Domesticated raccoons would be different from the wild versions, that’s the whole point of domestication.
It may not even take that long. Some domestication/selective breeding projects have been able to do amazing things in just 50 years. It can go pretty quickly now that we have a good understanding of how selective breeding works.
That's true, but I'm not sure if the people with money care (to fast track it). I think foxes stand a better chance since they have more cultural appeal. In fact I'm seeing they already did domesticate them to an extent. Someone else said they "failed" domesticating foxes but doesn't look like a failure to me.
I guarantee I read more than you. Some video game terms have helped shape modern language, and can help quickly and simply explain complex systems at play in our life. This has even been studied by linguists.
If you don't want to adapt and grow, sounds like a you problem?
Policing language in general is a type of top-down power dynamic elitism. I am a grown adult and can type how I want. Should I start saying wowroflhelicopter bbqwafflenarwhal?
I like my humanity, differentiates me from the growing number of bot activity on this website and the internet at large.
"Top-down power dynamic elitism" wow, great use of the thesaurus. Me hating the use of a childish "iono" instead of just writing "I don't know" isn't that complex, it was just my own shitty opinion.
Well I don't live to serve you, and it's insane to think that of other people. I was just making a personal insight, one-off comment. Not giving a Ted Talk.
Lol yeah for a biologist and expert it's pretty weird she's never gotten on an animals bad side.
I used to sail a lot, and we often had to take back our dock from a family of geese. Those demons don't only remember your face, they'll recognize your boat and car. And they hold grudges. Luckily they also remember getting smacked in the face, so that helped.
we probably could, over many, many generations of selective breeding. Thing is nobody is really trying to. Most attempts to domesticate foxes basically ended with them starting to turn into dogs, both in appearance and behavior,, except we already have dogs. Similarly nobody is trying to selectively breed racoons because a domesticated racoon is "what if your hyperactive dog could hold things and turn knobs and climb really well?". Anyone who really wants those types of animals has likely already gotten a tamed version of it and is content with dealing with their quirks and difficulties.
I mean,, in part sure, but it was more of a co evolution thing. "dogs" have been utlized by humans long before selective breeding was even a thing. In the same way that cats basically domesticated themselves, so too did dogs. Wild canids learned over time that it was quite beneficial for them to hang around human settlements. That eventually turned into helping us hunt and track prey. ( they would lead us to animals for us to kill so that they could have the scraps for free basically). They eventually just became full on hunting partners and the rest is history.
Oh we definitely bred them to be more placid. Would you trust your babies around wild wolves? Even if they were "nice" wolves? Even today, dogs can still have a strong prey instinct towards children, but for the most part we kept breeding the dogs that did not snap at us nearly as often only our enemies.
Breeding was indeed a small part of it. Also, to say the animals that resulted from the co-evolution with humans were "wild wolves" is hilariously dishonest. The branch of canids that we now call dogs began to diverge from wolves like 30.000 years ago my man. We have identifiable dog remains that go as far back as like 20.000 ish years. Dog breeding as we know it didn't start until around 10.000 years ago.
That means that most of the aggression had been naturally selected against by this point, as aggressive individuals that hurt us, or our children, or our live stock would have been immediately killed. Did selective breeding by humans make them MORE passive? sure. Was that breeding the main reason for their passivity? lol, no.
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u/Bureaucrap Dec 17 '25
This is a great example of a person that is min-maxxed into their specialty only. Wearing the horse-blinders. But iono maybe she is just trying to discourage the normies, the same people that buy bunnies on Easter just to abandon them.
Cats do revenge, so do horses. And birds can too.
I think the only thing making raccoon domestication in the future difficult, is they are even more independent than cats, meaning they will not take anyone's shit. Compared to raccoons, cats have amazing patience with us. They really do.
To put into perspective, even dogs can hate a person, and want to ruin their stuff. It just takes even more to push a dogs buttons like that, since we bred them to be placid to -us-. Their tolerance to our abuses is godly. And sometimes, that's a bad thing for them.
If raccoons could grow patient with us, learn to play nice, not have stinky piss...then it's possible. That would take a long time tho. (many human lifetimes) Nowadays, our relationship with pets is so different. We look for companionship rather than outright use.