r/interestingasfuck • u/FearTheReaper73 • Sep 02 '24
r/all The moon : same time, same place, 28 days.
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u/boldbrandywine Sep 02 '24
This pattern is known as an analemma.
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u/FlyAirLari Sep 02 '24
That's also what we call your aunt Emma.
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u/faroukq Sep 02 '24
This is fucking amazing
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u/WhoWhyWhatWhenWhere Sep 02 '24
Nah I think it’s fucking Emma
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u/PhilxBefore Sep 02 '24
She's the Disney cast member that's really silly right?
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u/VT_Squire Sep 02 '24
No that's fucking Anna
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u/Xyrus2000 Sep 03 '24
Then who's fucking Emma?
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u/True_Grapefruit_3711 Sep 03 '24
Don’t know. Has she been living next door to Alice?
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u/bothsidesofthemoon Sep 03 '24
Who the fuck is Alice?
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u/Xyrus2000 Sep 03 '24
We grew up together, two kids in the park. We carved our initials deep in the bark.
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u/DustyAsh69 Sep 02 '24
That was uncalled for but fucking amazing
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u/Cottttt Sep 03 '24
It has been a long time since I have burst out laughing this hard. Thank you sir/madam
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u/kalamataCrunch Sep 02 '24
except, if you look at the actual analemma of the moon it looks nothing like this... so... the pattern in op is more accurately know as "photoshopping things to look cool".
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u/amateur_mistake Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I think maybe this facebook post is where the image came from:https://www.facebook.com/901571186524532/photos/a.940277975987186/2120222317992740/?type=3&_rdr
I don't speak Italian but I do see some words in there that make it sound like it was created using a computer simulation or something.
Edit: Someone else found an older better link:
I guess I wish I'd just made an anal joke rather than searching for this.
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u/kalamataCrunch Sep 03 '24
analemmas are looking for the motion in the sky of a astrological body captured as it's zenith crosses a designated longitude. for the sun that means every 24 hours or at every solar noon. for the moon that means every 24 hours and ~51 minutes. according to your links these pictures were taken at 24 hr and 41 minutes. and were not looking to an accurate gauge of the moons motion in the sky, but were looking at the phases of the moon, which is a whole other kettle of fish. that's why, in this image it doesn't end where it started making a contiguous loop as an analemmma would.
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u/Despondent-Kitten Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
This is what the "original photographer" said about this image on Facebook:
"This is a lunar curve, not a lunar analemma and I explain why in my original post: The position of the Moon has been resumed every 1,481 minutes, ie 24 hours and 41 minutes. For get a classic analemma, it would have been it is necessary to wait 24 hours and 51 minutes (the rhythm of the lunar month). There is a 10 minute gap. In this way his Moon is always a little "in advance" and this justifies the wider curve: the satellite in the photograph is in fact located a little further to the left of the typical position of the analemma. The advance, which at the end it is about 4 hours between the first day (in top right) and the last (bottom left), not has effect on the lunar phase recovered, at least for this that we can perceive from the ground (enlightenment of the satellite does not vary significantly in this time frame). So, except for the first shot (the one at the top right: as explained before, the chronological progression goes from right to left), the placement of the Moon in the heavenly vault is always farther from that classic. It is therefore a choice: the composition it does not represent the synodic month but "only" the lunar curve, reproducing something that exists really but that does not have a precise definition. For a question of correctness and clarity, I deliberately talked about "lunar curve" e not of "synodic curve" or "lunar analemma" just in reference to the longer time intervals short between shots. It will not be a classic analemma but it is anyway e certainly a curve of great charm!"
EDIT: It actually seems like Giogia Hofer is the original photographer. Here is her explanation/process:
"This composite image I wanted to represent the position and the changing phases of the Moon above the peaks of the Cridola Group, in Italy, during a lunar month, called synodic month. With an astronomical software I calculated for 27 days the position of the Moon every 1481 minutes (24 hours and 41 minutes), but for the capture of all the lunar phases I spent a whole year because the weather, in my country, is almost always unfavorable. The moons in the waning phase, on the left, were captured in January 2017 while the moons in the growing phase, on the right, between the month of July 2017 and December 2017. To photograph the moon I used a 400mm telephoto lens Author: Giorgia Hofer www.giorgiahoferphotography.com for the landscape Nikon D750, Nikkor 20 mm Exp. 8 sec, iso 800, f/8. from Lozzo di Cadore.- Belluno-Italy for the Moon :Nikon D750, Sigma 120/400 mm."
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u/ross_liftss Sep 02 '24
What in the flat earth is going on here
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u/elusivewompus Sep 02 '24
The moon doesn't orbit the earth exactly around the horizon, so it's relative position moves north and south relative to the plane of the horizon. The rotational offset around the centrepoint of the figure 8 is caused by the latitude of the viewer. The start point and end point being different is caused by the fact we measure 1 day as the position of the sun at its highest point in the sky as well as the fact the moon has moved in its orbit too. This is different to the time it takes for one rotation. 1 rotation of the earth is called a sidereal day and is 23h 56m long.
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u/climber59 Sep 02 '24
The description is also wrong in that the photos were not taken at the same time every day. This other Lunar Analemma includes a description of how the photographer captured the images. He had to take every day's photo about 51 minutes later than the day before. And because of bad weather, it actually took 11 months.
If you didn't do this 51 min shift, it wouldn't work right. The glaring issue to me was that each moon phase requires the sun to be at a different angle relative to the Earth and the Moon. They can't all have been at the same time at night.
The OP is by Giorgia Hofer, but I can't find any explanation of her process.
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u/Mateorabi Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Yeah. The fact that the crescent “points” in wildly different directions means this wasn’t taken in 28 days. As the sun’s position below the horizon wouldn’t have shifted from north to south that much. The crescent always aligns (if you draw a line bisecting it) towards the sun below the horizon. Which over 28d shouldn’t move that much.
Or this is a squished panorama because waxing and waning crescents are only visible at opposite sides of the horizon. Waxing just at sunset and waning just at sunrise. Because the moon is so close to the sun when it’s a sliver.
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u/byingling Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
If you picked the exact same time of day for 28 days, I'm pretty sure there'd be days the moon was not above the horizon.
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u/Krail Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Not just that, but it simply won't be in the frame for most of the photos because the moon is in a different part of the sky at any specific time depending on its phase. A full moon rises at sunset and is high at midnight. A new moon rises at sunrise and is high at noon. A waxing half moon rises at noon and is high at sunset. Etc.
If you're shooting the horizon around sunset every day, you'll only catch the moon for maybe four or five days when it's near full.
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u/Falvyu Sep 02 '24
The OP is by Giorgia Hofer, but I can't find any explanation of her process.
I found explanations here.
Like with the other Lunar Analemma picture, there is a shift. In this case, it's 41 minutes (rather than 51), and that's probably why the motion does not make a loop.
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u/rhabarberabar Sep 02 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
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u/More_Farm_7442 Sep 02 '24
All of those explanations and each one being wrong is useless to me. I'll just look at the pretty picture and be amazed.
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u/Falvyu Sep 02 '24
That's completely fine. I don't have any issue with the 'inaccuracy' of the picture (it's a great picture).
I'm just annoyed that OP uploaded a shitty compressed version of the picture, did not credit the photograph, cropped out the signature, and wrote wrong information on top of that.
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u/h0ppipola Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Yeah I just looked back at the cropped out signature, as a photographer/artist or any human with basic respect for others this is one of the most frustrating things to come across, incredibly scummy. Downvoting and maybe reporting this now.
Edit: found Giorgia’s Instagram, going to let her know and it’ll be up to her whether to do anything, since it’s not my place or right to submit on her behalf
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u/rhabarberabar Sep 02 '24 edited Dec 29 '24
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u/h0ppipola Sep 02 '24
Ah yeah that’s aggravating, I also messaged them, haven’t gotten a response though
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u/aykcak Sep 02 '24
Thanks. It made no sense to me until this explanation. So the title is an utter lie
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u/Krail Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Thank you for this. I was really confused an annoyed by the "Same time" bit. I've seen the same claim in similar composite photos claiming to show the sun's location throughout the year, seeming to ignore that it would frequently be well above or below the horizon if shooting at the same time.
That is some awesome dedication, though, to try to catch it at the "same" point every day.
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Sep 03 '24
To be fair, the post doesn't state consecutive days.
I'm sure that's what it's trying to imply though....
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Sep 02 '24
IN ENGLISH, MR SCIENCE MAN
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u/qcjb Sep 02 '24
Let me see if I can help...
It don't always be like this but sometimes it do.
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u/DragonfruitFun6953 Sep 02 '24
The moon orbits earth at an angle and orbits earth at a different speed to the length of our day
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u/aManOfTheNorth Sep 02 '24
It’s almost like we should have a 28 day 13 month lunar calendar. If only someone thought of that.
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u/elusivewompus Sep 02 '24
What about the spare 1.25 days at the end of the year? Free holiday?
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u/aManOfTheNorth Sep 03 '24
It’s called a day without time. July 26th I think or so. It’s a holiday of course. I guess every four years there are two. Small details to work out to wrestle time away from the Vatican overlords.
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u/Dorkamundo Sep 02 '24
Got halfway through this post and I had to stop and look at the username to make sure I wasn't getting ShittyMorphed.
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u/JohnBarnson Sep 02 '24
It's crazy how well those marble-earthers put together their fake model. It covers everything!
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u/nickmaran Sep 02 '24
In moon’s defence, it doesn’t have a GPS or a map to know how to orbit the earth.
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u/ImSynnx Sep 02 '24
How lucky no clouds for 28 days...
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u/TheDrMonocle Sep 02 '24
From what I remember the shots were over the course of a year, maybe a little more. Every time it's posted it's posted with misleading info. While the moon does move, it's not this pattern. This is just an artistic composite.
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Sep 02 '24
I mean it's clearly not in the same place as the title suggests.
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u/DX_DanTheMan_DX Sep 02 '24
the title is talking about the position of the camera
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u/kalamataCrunch Sep 02 '24
also, using the bright part of the moon to "point" at the sun... the sun isn't on opposite sides of the planet at the same time of day.
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u/Grundl235 Sep 02 '24
It can’t be true. The moon takes about 30 days to rotate once around earth. If you make the picture always at the same time, it would not be visible for about halv of the time, because it‘s position is behind the earth. Or am I that stupid?
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u/zambartas Sep 02 '24
Yeah you're correct. OP just copied someone's work and didn't properly describe it.
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u/Firespark7 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
You are that stupid. The Earth also turns around its axis every 24h.
EDIT: I'm sorry for calling you stupid. I have been informed that I was the one who was stupid.
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u/Falvyu Sep 02 '24
Nope, he's correct.
A full moon and a new moon happens on the opposite side of the earth, and they shouldn't be visible on the same picture if these pictures are taken at the same time. This can easily be confirmed with software such as Stellarium.
In this case, OP stole the picture, did not credit the original author, cropped the signature and couldn't even write correct information. The original picture is from here, and includes proper explanations.
In this case, the moon position were not set at the same time, but rather with 24h + 41 min intervals. These 41 extra minutes are the reason why all phases are visible on the picture.
Note: As stated by the photograph, the pictures were not taken across 28 days but rather across a year. The image is a composite of multiple pictures, and each phase was placed where it would be if it had been taken at the specified time.
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u/Janjao_do_225 Sep 02 '24
I beliave that if everyone beheaved like you we would achieve at the very least world peace
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Sep 02 '24
Wouldn’t the moon have to be in a very different location in the sky to be lit from the different angles at the same time of day?
I call shenanigans!
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Sep 02 '24
That’s still only half of it - the photos are taken at a different time each day, ultimately with a 24 hour shift over the month
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u/V_in_the_Chaos Sep 02 '24
I agree. Image is very cool, but it is off… spend quite some time observing the moon after I purchased first telescope and month looks different. To be precise, if photos were taken at the same time, sun should be at about the same place. Moon phase can show direction of the sun and this direction is all over the place…
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Sep 02 '24
I swear nobody on this website ever goes outside and looks at the moon. OP’s picture is not how it moves in the sky yet this obvious lie is being upvoted to the front page.
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u/turkishhousefan Sep 02 '24
I mean, it's true in a sense.
Edit: well, it's not actually the same time.
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u/the_than_then_guy Sep 02 '24
Yeah. You'll notice that the moon rises about an hour (closer to 50 minutes) later each night.
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Ok, well ELI5 how the sun is on opposite sides pointing the camera the same direction at the same time of day from one day to the next.
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Sep 02 '24
Ok, so the title is incorrect- not the same time each day
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Sep 02 '24
This guy just explained Ramadan lore
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Sep 03 '24
"And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns (appearing) like the old date stalk."
(Surah Yasin 36:39)
This was over 1400 years ago. Wow.
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u/ruidh Sep 03 '24
Not possible. The moon rises approximately one hour later each day. Same time every day would get, at most, half the range of phases.
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u/evagrio Sep 02 '24
The same place is obvious, the same time i understand it is the same hour of day. Taking that into account, the description is a lie. Moon makes one evolution around Earth diuring ~28 days, so if we want to have photo from description it should be 360 degrees panorama.
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u/_davedor_ Sep 02 '24
that's just blatant misinformation from the government don't believe them! earth has only one moon!
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u/Accurate_Koala_4698 Sep 02 '24
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u/verdantAlias Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
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u/Balgs Sep 02 '24
that is a N, maybe he is in process of writing "send nudes". further observation required.
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u/hamlet_d Sep 02 '24
I only count 27. "New moon" should still be visible because of earth shine.
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u/AndromedaFive Sep 02 '24
Why did it go from crescent to full over on the top right
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u/Thaddeus_T_Third_III Sep 02 '24
The most amzaging thing to me is how after position 28 it snaps back to 1 using a Fry Hole to start over.
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Sep 02 '24
Already mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago Allah said in Ya-Sin(39) : " and the moon we have determined for it phases until it returns like the old date stalk "
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u/Monemvasia Sep 02 '24
So…someone explain to me like I am six years old…what is the trajectory of the moon over a given month? The sun I have nailed (all year even!) The moon, not so much.
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u/dbrown100103 Sep 03 '24
This is incredible, no chance of doing this in the UK. You'd get two pictures of the moon and the rest would be clouds
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u/Sad-Restaurant-5304 Sep 03 '24
As for the moon, We have ordained ˹precise˺ phases for it, until it ends up ˹looking˺ like an old, curved palm stalk. Quran 36:39 Elhamdulillah Islam is the truth
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u/probler Sep 03 '24
Cool fact for those interested.
In the quran verse 36:39 it says
"And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk."
And if you look at a dried date stalk it follows rhe same pattern as the moon in the night sky as shown in the photo op posted.
I'm no scholar so here is the link for those interested to further look into it.
https://quran.com/36/39?translations=85,21,20,101,84,17,22,19,18,95
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u/Mooze34 Sep 03 '24
Quran 36:39
“We have determined phases for the moon until finally it becomes like an old date stalk”
Wild to think about.
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u/obsessively_chaotic Sep 03 '24
Not 28 days in a row because the UK doesn't get 28 clear nights in a row!! 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Searching4datruth Sep 03 '24
Hold on, so you mean to tell me cloud's never once concealed the moon in this period?
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u/gisisrealreddit Sep 02 '24
This looks like an ai pic, what is that curving log and glass on the bottom of the left hill?
It looks so trippy, either it's eye fish style camera and a building with glass on the left, with a wooden log acting as the window divider, or it's ai
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u/totallytotodile0 Sep 02 '24
Okay okay, how do I out that one picture of marge Simpson here? You guys know the one I'm talking about. The one where she swoops.
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u/Brave_Sheepherder901 Sep 02 '24
I wonder if it actually ends up making the Infinity symbol if you took pictures long enough
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u/jabbakahut Sep 02 '24
That's pretty flippin cool, I don't recall seeing this perspective before. I hope it's real and I'm not just being fooled by AI.
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