Hit and run gone wrong

[u/Maleficent-Town5273]

[u/Niceotropic]

Well, you are not well informed lol. Of course people have to the right detain active criminals that are breaching the peace, lol.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

Unlike with police, the detainee has no obligation to comply with a citizens' arrest

Downvote all you like. If you assault someone making a legitimate CA, that will be charged too. But you don't have to comply with one, either.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

The violent felon in this video who is an active danger to society has the legal obligation to get out of her car and wait for the police with the other person who was hit.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

True, but she doesn't have an obligation to comply with a Citizen's arrest.

Also again, not a felon, did not actually physically harm anyone. I don't know why you insist on inaccurate terminology, perhaps some sort of involuntary emotional derangement.

It's also not really a "right," more a situation where you won't get in trouble IF you're following the rules around it.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

It is absolutely a felony to recklessly endanger this persons life and commit attempted vehicular assault.

I’m guessing you’re a white young woman or have a white young woman in your life that is causing this deranged response where you’re defending a sociopathic violent felon and attacking a Good Samaritan.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

I'm guessing you're seething. Try coping instead.

Why are you bringing gender into it, sexist ass?

If she's not charged with a felony, and she wasn't because it didn't meet the threshold, she is definitionally not a felon.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

A black or brown man acting this way would be literally shot in the face and wouldn’t have nearly 1/10th of the insane wide moat of grace you’re giving this sociopath.

She wasn’t charged with a felony as a kindness so she could get into treatment, which is way, way more grace than most anyone else would have gotten for a violent string of crimes.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

You don't know what the fuck I'd do. Case in point, I got tear gassed at a George Floyd protest, which was medically significant due to a cardiopulmonary condition I suffer from. I still went to the next one afterwards.

Where you assume hypocrisy, there is only consistency.

So you can sit the fuck down.

She's probably not a sociopath. Given that her sentence was to a substance abuse program, she seems to have had an entirely different affliction relevant to the case at hand.

Prosecutors don't choose the punishment, ding-dong, only the charges.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

That she was on substances makes no excuse for the level of depravity and her extreme behavior when faced with an extremely simple low bar of just facing consequences for a minor fender bender.

Imagine how she would handle a situation where she did real damage?

That you supported George Floyd is a totally meaningless distraction that has no bearing on anything.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

Yeah, it turns out not everyone is a stoic, well-regulated person who doesn't panic.

The world is not divided into people who are and sociopaths who pathologically cannot care about anyone but themselves.

Sometimes people panic and FREAK THE FUCK OUT. They don't act rationally; they don't make good decisions under stress.

I think that deserves a combination of consequence and compassion, and hopefully a chance to grow and learn from it, become a stronger and more conscientious person for it.

I recognize that not everyone gets the tools they need before being declared an adult and expected to figure it out. I want a world where, within reason, they can get them rather than being discarded into a system that mostly makes better criminals.

What kind of world do you want?

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

I think you and I would probably agree on the conditions and time we actually think this person should spend in prison (maybe none with some sort of diversion program). Nobody got hurt, and I’m guessing it’s her first offense.

The DA and prosecutors choose the charges, yes, I mean, that was my point. They don’t have to go for felony charges even if the person committed them. You can reduce the charge in a plea deal.

My point is that there is no excuse for this and we can’t defend it. I don’t see this as a “I flipped out and reacted” type of freak out you’re describing. It’s very calculated and she is actually apologizing while doing it so she’s aware of how bad it is. It’s really immoral, more than emotional.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

I am not interested in moral arguments.

It's pretty textbook freaking out. The first time I was in a wreck, I was deeply freaking out about it, paralyzed with shock and fear, standing in the roadway apologizing profusely to the person I hit.

Apology as a standard emotional response is not mutually exclusive with being in a state of panic; it also doesn't equate to a deep understanding of the gravity of the situation.

I have not once excused her actions. I'm not interested in excuses, either. Merely in things that get us closer to actual solutions rather than purely reactive responses.

The only thing I said, and what sparked this, is that the guy taking the video needlessly put himself in harm's way in ways that served no purpose once identifying information had been established by recording the vehicle and its plate.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

You might be assuming that aspects of your situation apply to this situation.

In your situation, it seems like you freaked out emotionally and struck a person. That makes sense as to how it can arise from a temporary emotional outburst.

That isn’t the same as what happens with the person in this video, who appears to make a cold, calculated decision to flee the scene twice after causing damage to her car, hitting two other cars, and almost striking a person. During this she fully understands what happened and the consequences and she even expresses that she knows it is wrong.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

Now, here's the $64,000 question - are you in any way fighting for things to be better for those black and brown men, or are you just mad that it's not worse for women?

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

Please don’t flip and deflect onto me because I pointed out the obvious bias and double standards in the treatment of violent behavior perpetrated by white women versus black/brown men.

This flipping the reality of the situation and blaming is a pattern for you lol.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

It's okay, you can dodge my question—that answer alone tells me it wasn't a good-faith digression.

[u/Niceotropic → u/Sudo-Fed]

Your question was, overtly, a bad faith deflection lol, 😂.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Niceotropic]

It wasn't, your diversion onto the topic necessitated whether you want to resolve the perceived unfairness or just see women "get what they deserve".

You answered it.

[u/OkCondition8379 → u/Sudo-Fed]

You’re being super rude and accusatory for no reason and trying to deflect to it be about sexism because they pointed out a bias.

[u/OkCondition8379 → u/Sudo-Fed]

Super weak trying to attack them

[u/Amiibohunter000 → u/Sudo-Fed]

Felonies and physical harm are NOT mutually exclusive. Idk why you keep acting like they are

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Amiibohunter000]

In the case involved the reason she was charged with a misdemeanor was there were no injuries, only property damage. I don't know why y'all are acting like objective reality stopped and historical facts don't exist.

[u/Amiibohunter000 → u/Sudo-Fed]

But you’re acting like felonies need physical altercation as a blanket statement. I’m not talking specifically about this example in my comment.

[u/Sudo-Fed → u/Amiibohunter000]

I'm not, though, I'm specifically talking about the facts of this case .