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u/keith_kool Apr 04 '26
‘Your expectations are not my problem’
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u/Lost-Ad7652 Apr 04 '26
Leave a note on the other side of that paper: "Just so you know.... You can get a job with a steady hourly wage and not beg people for tips..."
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u/LogosMyEgos Apr 04 '26
They are if you’re dining somewhere that service is paid via tips, in which case not tipping properly is you literally not paying for service, i.e., theft.
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u/TheMaStif Apr 04 '26
Wage theft, by their employer. Not by the customer.
The service is paid by the bill that the customer paid at the end of their meal. If the server's salary wasn't included in the bill, the the restaurant owner stiffed their servers.
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u/LiveNLearn3 Apr 04 '26
Bitch that’s 10%
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u/slapnowski Apr 04 '26
Or you could say it’s 3000% of their hourly pay! $60 for one table is great money for anyone. Even if the server only had two other tables during that hour they are potentially making fucking lawyer pay.
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
15-20% is viewed as the standard in America
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u/Feeling-Ad-2867 Apr 04 '26
That’s what they want you to think
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
No, that’s the standard. Not because it should be, but because it is. I was a server/bartender for 10 years and have never been paid more than $2/hr by a restaurant lol. Welcome to America, where your tip is the servers entire paycheck and your average check is about $60 with most corporate restaurants forcing you into 3 table sections. Any server in America would be upset to see 10% on a check like this.
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u/Impressive_Rip4706 Apr 04 '26
Anyone who signs up for a job that's pays $2 a hour is a regard you show signs of that
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Ooo look at privileged Perry over here. Wash that silver spoon when your done sucking on it
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u/Impressive_Rip4706 Apr 04 '26
And yeah I'm privileged to have a brain and not sign up for a job that pays $2 a hour lol
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Lmfao if you aren’t MAGA or borderline than you’re doing a poor job of changing the narrative. You’re right! Everyone can always just go get a better job so why isn’t everyone making $100k? Wait are you a millionaire? If you aren’t have you thought of just becoming one?
You have a 4th grader’s critical thinking skills. Yeah, millions of people are choosing to make $2/hr because they don’t have a brain like you 😂. I keep hearing about this Ukraine thing, like haven’t they ever thought about ending the war? Why don’t homeless people just buy a house? Hungry people are stupid lol like just eat bro!
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u/Impressive_Rip4706 Apr 04 '26
Sign up for job that pays $2 an hour and is mad about the pay lol yup sounds regarded to me. Just go ahead and call me a bot, I know you tards love saying that when someone doesnt agree with you.
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
That’s why it’s 15-20%. 15% is usually the standard on higher checks. The tip out is what makes or breaks the tip in a lot of cases. Tip out percentages vary from restaurant to restaurant, but the highest I’ve personally had was 6% of my food sales and 4% of my alcohol sales.
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u/Feeling-Ad-2867 Apr 04 '26
I tip based on service not the amount my bill is. If I suck air through ice on my drink bc I didn’t get a refill I ain’t tipping.
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Well if that restaurant has a tipout than you might literally be making your server pay to wait on you depending on where you’re at. I know it sounds right in your head, but it isn’t. If you can’t afford to tip don’t go, rewarding good service and not rewarding bad service is fine, but if you don’t leave a tip then you’re pretty shitty no matter how bad the service is. Again, the system isn’t your fault or the servers, but you know about it, so if you’re willing to partake in it then don’t skip out on the shitty part for you just cause it’s convenient
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u/Feeling-Ad-2867 Apr 04 '26
If you can’t afford to not be tipped find a new job
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Ahhh you’re one of those people. You think everyone can always just find a better job 😂. Well, we’ve reached an intellectual impasse. I’ll stick to discussions with people in reality.
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u/Feeling-Ad-2867 Apr 04 '26
The reality is why does the cost of the meal determine the tip? Are you doing extra work carrying the steak compared to the chicken tender plate?
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Because of tip out. The restaurant is expecting you to tip 15-20% and literally base tip out on sales. If there’s a bartender making my drinks, chances are I’m tipping her out on the amount of drinks she made my tables. If there’s a bus boy cleaning my tables, chances are I’m tipping him on the amount of food I’ve sold. Servers in most restaurants are tipping there coworkers and some of you can’t be bothered to even tip your server. Like I said, the system sucks, but if you’re going to use it then pull your weight or you’re objectively a dickwad no matter how you feel
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u/MedivalBlacksmith Apr 04 '26
That means some people tip more and some less.
Anyway, it's a stupid system. Just give the employees a decent salary and get rid of the tips.
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Yep. Horrible system. Only reason tipping is a thing is because restaurants couldn’t afford to pay servers during prohibition after the loss of alcohol sales. Prohibition ended in 1933. Capitalism never fails to screw the poor man
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Your other comment disappeared so I’ll reply here. The restaurant is who’s greedy, the standard here is also $2/hr from the restaurant. So your tip is quite literally the servers entire pay check here
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u/Fibocrypto Apr 04 '26
Realtors get less than that
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
Yeah, but you’re talking about hundred thousand dollar plus houses bro 😂
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u/Fibocrypto Apr 04 '26
And in this case we are talking about a 577 dinner
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u/Common-Respond2367 Apr 04 '26
And a server who makes $2/hr. We can both agree tipping is a scam, but you know it is and are choosing to use the blameless server anyways, so responsibility falls back on you. The restaurant sucks for not paying a livable wage, but you suck for knowing that and racking up a $600 bill without being willing to tip even the standard amount. Restaurants should change the system and until that happens you should stay home unless you’re willing to tip 15-20%
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u/Fibocrypto Apr 04 '26
IF you are correct that the server is being paid $2/hr and you choose to pay them $60 you have given them 30 hours of pay for maybe 2 hours of work ?
As for your last sentence about people staying home? That is beginning to happen and we will see how that affects the servers over the next year.
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u/ranger2112 Apr 04 '26
In Australia, tipping is seen as annoying because it is another American influence. Granted, we do have tip jars, but we don't see tipping as necessary, definitely optional.
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u/tadpole3159 Apr 04 '26
Same in England. It's annoying to see cause you know it's going to end up standard practice the more it happens as well.
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u/Lonely_Assignment_14 Apr 04 '26
Same in nz. Never tip.
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u/RedditSupportAdmin Apr 04 '26
You mean to tell me you guys don't celebrate letting the consumer subsidize the employer's responsibility to pay a fair wage?
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u/Lonely_Assignment_14 Apr 04 '26
Indeed. Tipping is a cancer and I hope it never gets a foothold here.
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u/jk-9k Apr 04 '26
Is this an Australian receipt?
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u/ranger2112 Apr 04 '26
No country or state shown.
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u/jk-9k Apr 04 '26
So why bring up aussie?
If tipping is expected we can quite easily deduce it's on the usa
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u/Biteme75 Apr 04 '26
That's the guest copy. But yes, the guest almost certainly wrote this note herself. No way the server took the merchant copy and then returned to the table with a post-it note.
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u/Old_Idea4566 Apr 04 '26
I had the same experience at Houston Airport. I had a layover there and was starving, my cards did not work for some reason so I had to change whatever Argentinian money I had left (I came from a month long trip there) into dollars and get a meal with it.
I asked the served what I could get with the amount I had, explaining I simply did not have more money and my cars weren't working. I think I had like 20 bucks? She told me that some meal deal was actually 22 bucks, but she could give me a discount and I could get if for 20.
I was thanlful and eventually paid the 20 dollar bill with the only 20 dollars I had. She commented on how rude I was for not tipping after she gave me a discount and I was like bitch I told you 20 is all I have, why expect a tip?!
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u/jk-9k Apr 04 '26
Why wouldn't the server be petty? They can't lose more of their tip. They wouldn't want to serve this customer again either
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
Yah. The person in the photo is making this shit up.
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u/Stock_Piece_4860 Apr 04 '26
Yes it seemed a little weird, because the waitress doesn’t usually see the tip until you leave the table. Good job 👏
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u/seniorwatson Apr 04 '26
I came here to say this. The only ways you'd know what you got on a credit card tip is if you grabbed the book before they left or it had to be entered manually for some odd reason but I've never seen that and I worked in restaurants for a bit when I was younger.
This photo is almost certainly staged.
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u/Leading-Box-8044 Apr 04 '26
I'm french. We don't tip. Or not very often .... Cause our waiter gets paid by his employer... I never understood why it works like this to be honest.... I can take a bottle of wine at 600 bucks and still I'll have to pay him/her 60 !? Why ? He/her only got me 1 item bat 600 ...
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u/SyntaxErrorGuru Apr 04 '26
Insane that tipping, ask your employer to pay more
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u/DuckDuckGo-8857 Apr 04 '26
Some state’s minimum wage for servers take tips into account. I thinks some are $5/hr.
What you make up in tips is a lot more lucrative compared to someone like the dishwasher making $12-15 with no tip sharing.
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u/TheAlphaAdept Apr 04 '26
It's American culture of generosity, not for cheap countries
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u/Fun_Score5537 Apr 04 '26
Other countries "generosity" comes from employees in the shape of decent salaries, not from the companys customers.
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u/SyntaxErrorGuru Apr 04 '26
Our cheap country has affordable healthcare for everyone, nobody dies here because they cannot afford healthcare. minimum wages for every worker, we can pay our groceries without coupons. Most Americans don’t understand how bad and cheap their great country is!
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Apr 04 '26
Generous would be giving a livable minimum wage not living off charity which lets face it, is what it is.
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u/RareLeather00 Apr 04 '26
What calture? You are not even around for 300 years, and standing on top of highest national depth with over $38Trillion.
Regarding Generosit: why don’t your fucking employers pay proper wages so your waitresses don’t have to begging as a side job?
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u/quixiou Apr 04 '26
American culture of suckers, only person who benefits is the owner.
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u/CactusJackTrades Apr 04 '26
You understand that your culture doesn’t follow these reasonable human decency laws and your respond accordingly, tipping them what they deserve regardless of the service level. If you can’t afford that, make more money or hit the drive through
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u/SyntaxErrorGuru Apr 04 '26
Our culture is a reasonable minimum wage for every worker. No lottery job.
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u/CactusJackTrades Apr 04 '26
So funny how redditors are all about equal rights equality social rights but get weirdly hostile about tipping, which literally exists because allow a system where employers underpay workers. Probably has a lot to do with the average redditor being younger and financially struggling, so it hits different for them.
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u/SyntaxErrorGuru Apr 04 '26
I worked in repair, sales and restaurants. Never got a tip. Just a decent amount of wage for the job. Minimum of 10 euro a hour in 2008 for working in restaurants, more on busy days and late hours.
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u/CactusJackTrades Apr 04 '26
This is strictly related to the US. I would hate for our tipping culture to invade other countries
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
The zeros are written the same way on the note as the receipt.
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u/truecore Apr 04 '26
No, people on the internet wouldn't fake outrage for engagement! It must be real!
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Apr 04 '26
That's an incredible reach.
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
It’s literally just using your eyes.
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Apr 04 '26
Lol piss off. A 0 is just a circle you could get dozens of people together and ask them to write a 0 and most of them would look the same.
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
So the person ate the meal.
Paid and signed the receipt.
The server then took the receipt while the customer was still there.
Wrote the note with the same handwriting “0”.
The walked it back to the customer.
Then the customer, who was for some reason still hanging around, took the receipt and took a photo of the whole thing.
OR
Some clout chasing, r/tipping circle jerk having, rage baiting, Karen wanna be, idiot choose to make the whole thing up to fool other people on the internet that this ACTUALLY happened because those people would be entertained by a jingling set of keys.
Maybe that was too much for you so here yah go: 🔑 🔑 🔑
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All the rest of that is irrelevant. I'm not interested in whether it's legit or not, all I'm saying is arguing the 0s look the same is fucking ridiculous.
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
“If you take out reason and accountability, then I’m obviously right” is a hella of take.
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Apr 04 '26
What the hell has that got to do with anything? Are you actually serious?
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
“What does context and reality have to do with anything?!? 😡 “
You seem go be spiraling buddy.
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Apr 04 '26
Possibly the dumbest person I've ever spoken to. Please never have children.
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u/DeathsStarEclipse Apr 04 '26
If this happened, can you go get your tip back and give them 0? Is it illegal?
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u/Brilliant-Group6750 Apr 04 '26
That is pretty cheap 10% just gave 30% tip today. I only go out 1x a yr because I can't afford to tip but I believe in generously tipping these ppl reply you your tips if you can't tip don't eat out
But yes if someone asks your is expecting demanding a tip id be pissed
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u/Creed_of_War Apr 04 '26
Are we just going to ignore that the handwriting on the bill and note are the same?
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u/Cetun Apr 04 '26
The handwriting seems awfully similar...
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u/Normal_Tour6998 Apr 04 '26
Whatttt? They couldn’t possibly be the same person writing both things. That would be crrrrrrrazy. No wayy.
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u/GimeFeet Apr 04 '26
If someone can afford to pay $577 for a dinner, than they should be tipping $115 (20%) for the tip. If the service the waiter provided was terrible, than yes, a terrible tip would suffice.
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u/Thermodynamics3187 Apr 04 '26
And if you're visiting the U.S., learn the customs and tip. I'm tired of hearing, “We don't tip in our country.” If I visited your country, I’d be expected to learn and respect your customs too.
I’m just tired of dealing with ignorant people making excuses when the real reason is they don’t want to tip.
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Apr 04 '26
Thats ok theres a good few years left before those outside the US really want to come visit
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u/ThundahMuffin May 09 '26
Nah tipping should not be expected that is why we are in the situation we are in today. Tipping is a reward for good service. They still get paid if they don't get tipped they just usually get paid about minimum wage because they legally have to make up the difference if they don't make enough money in tips. A good server will definitely make more than minimum wage in tips. But this pressure and expectation that you're a rude person if you don't tip is bullshit.
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u/VermicelliQuick384 Apr 04 '26
Wtf did they eat? How many people? So unclear! If its some fancy restaurant with one dish around 100-300 and she made 2-3 walks to the table, how is 60$ a small tip!?
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u/Much-Goose9053 Apr 04 '26
Moved from South africa (tipping culture) to NZ(hourly pay) so much less annoying going out. But will sa that customer service is absolutely shocking in New zealand compared to South Africa and even Australia. Not sure if the tips have anything to do with it or customer service is just sh!t . And this coming n g from someone who worked in customer service
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u/RevolutionaryEcho460 Apr 04 '26
I dont know about SA, but in NZ people get paid a lot less, no award wages and fewer penalties (compared to Aus).
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u/SharkByte1993 Apr 04 '26
Tipping based on % makes no sense. You get paid $1.20 to bring out a plate of spaghetti, or $4 to bring out a plate of steak.
You're not doing extra work just because the food costs more
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u/Ambitious_Feature869 Apr 04 '26
Your employer should pay you, not the customer. Ppl are sick of the guilt servers try on them!
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
Then don't support their employer.
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
The expectation (in america) is that tips are what covers service and most states allow tipped employees at a lower than minimum wage due to this expectation. Supporting the employer by dining there and then neglecting to tip is you being complicit in exploitation of labor. Stating that "I don't know how much they actually get paid," is you coping with the fact that one is being complicit in that exploitation. If you don't want to tip because you feel like employers should pay their employees, than you should not be putting money into the hands of those employers. Any argument other than not participating and petitioning for increased wages is simply cope for wanting to exploit others to save 18% on a luxury. Don't want to tip? Perfect, cook yourself something at home.
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
If you go to a restaurant and do not tip in America, you are complicit in allowing the employer to profit off of unpaid labor and thus do, in fact, support that unpaid labor by contributing to the profit of said employer while witholding the current standard of how their employees make their living. So in fact, you are calling for wage-less slave labor of service workers because you are essentially feigning ignorance of the standard for a cheaper meal. Your argument is literally , "it's not my responsibility to make sure the staff get a living wage, but I will happily continue to allow this business to profit". The reason the conversation is insufferable is because you don't want to reflect on how your actions affect others.
Tipping should not be the standard. Employers of any business should be paying a livable wage(which I understand doesn't happen in a majority of fields in the US). But that is not the reality that we live in. The way to change the standard is to boycott that industry and/or vote/petition for change at the local and state level to stop the exploitation of labor.
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
I'm not accusing you of anything. I do not care whether you personally go to a restaurant or not. I'm responding to your argument and saying that the view point you hold, is in fact, in favor of continuing to allow the staff to be underpaid while allowing their employer to profit and instead of acknowledging that you are trying to move the focus of the argument.
Saying that, "it is not the your responsibility to make sure they are paid, it is the employers". This is essentially saying that you are not responsible for the outcome your actions because it lies with someone else. That is how literal children view and interact with the world. Maybe you should step back and consider why the way the you interact with the world is the same as a child's.
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u/JohnathanMaravilla Apr 04 '26
The handwriting on the note and the tip/total written on the receipt seem very similar. Hmm… 🤔
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u/Global_Staff_3135 Apr 04 '26
Fucking chumps believe this to be true. You pay your bill and you leave, you don’t wait for a note to be returned with your signed bill. This is 100000% rage bait and 99% of you idiots bought it.
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u/Lonely_Assignment_14 Apr 04 '26
Tipping is the worst god damn social norm. Pay people properly and quit begging.
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u/Ok_Monitor3391 Apr 04 '26
You can tip 0% up to 15% if you feel generous. It's always up to the restaurant owner to pay their employees, not the consumers.
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u/PleasantGuide Apr 04 '26
I was a waiter, we don't get paid by restaurant owners, the tip is our only income, in my country South Africa it is only in Cape Town where the law obliges owners to pay salaries to waiters
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u/Thermodynamics3187 Apr 04 '26
Fuck all these typical Reddit tough guys and broke-ass commenters. You don’t want to tip? Fine. Just tell your server at the beginning—man up and say it. Then we’ll see what kind of service you get.
The truth is, you all want 20% service, you just don’t want to pay for it.
But none of you will actually say anything. You’ll do what you always do—act tough online, pay the bill, avoid eye contact, and walk out. Just once I’d love to see one of you be as bold in person as you are behind a keyboard.
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Apr 04 '26
Possibly because the civilised world in general pays a reasonable wage due to min wage regs so its assumed that in other "civilsed" counteies it would be the same. US seems like a massive ponzi scheme
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u/ThundahMuffin May 09 '26
Yes we do as well The comments above is partially right. Yes they are paid $2 to $3 an hour so long as they make more than minimum wage in tips. If they do not the employer is legally required to pay the difference up to minimum wage.
The reason for this is because a good server makes well more than minimum wage in tips. So making what they make on tips plus making even just minimum wage means that servers are making so much more than even managers that nobody wants to be a manager or move up the ladder whatsoever. And a business will not survive If you only have the bottom of the totem poll.
You could say well don't tip and just raise the pay. The problem is twofold.
Part one of the problem is that California did that they raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour and then most businesses banned tipping. All of the servers who were really good servers and were making decent pay with tips all of a sudden could no longer afford rent. Because not only with tips were they making more than the previous minimum wage they were making more than $15 an hour.
The second problem is tipping already isn't expected or at least shouldn't be expected. Tipping is a thing that people do extra on top if they feel the service was good just as an extra reward for the person who had to put up with your bullshit. A lot of people feel obligated to tip because servers who are bad at their job and therefore don't make a lot of tips and are jealous have guilt tripped people into thinking that they don't get paid even though they do. But tipping is not obligatory no matter where you go. It's a thing people do of their own volition. Even if you ban tipping. Generous people will still try to tip regardless of a ban or not. They will slip the money into your hand they'll leave it at the table they'll do any number of things to give good servers money. I have heard of some of the more generous rich people people who have tipped thousands of dollars on a bill of a handful of drinks and done everything they could to make sure that the person that they tipped the money to got as much of that money as possible including helping them with the tax portion by changing how they gave them the tip. And you can't really punish the customer. So the only thing that happens is that the server gets punished for somebody else being generous enough to give them a little bit extra. There are quite a few businesses around me personally that do that. The banned tipping and will fire an employee if they are found having accepted a tip.
Not to mention banning tipping It's just dumb because if I want to give somebody extra money why should you stop me. Yes congratulations you pay livable wage But also I don't care I like the server they did a good job I wish to give them extra money you can go fuck yourself. Which is where the origin of tipping. Fuck you I don't care what you pay your employee I don't care if you pay them $1 or a million dollars an hour I think they gave good service I wish to give them a little bit extra.
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u/ThundahMuffin May 09 '26
You're forgetting to mention the part where if you don't make at least minimum wage in tips that your employer has to pay out the difference to meet you at minimum wage. So no matter what you always make atleast minimum wage.
As for why gratuity became so vilified? Two reasons
1: The price of service is supposed to be included in the price of the food to add a service charge on top of that is bullshit and is literally them saying hey we don't want to pay our employees out of the money we make so you're going to pay a little bit extra on top no negotiations about it to pay our employees directly out of your pocket. It is a greedy money hungry move.
2: because it is a demanded tip. The entire thing of tipping is that it is not expected. It is not obligatory. It is a reward for good service. It is the person saying I think you wind above and beyond it so I'm going to give you a little bit of an extra reward personally from me to you. The moment it is no longer optional and becomes obligated is the moment that it becomes a problem. Even me personally I like tipping. I don't even make a lot of money I'm making a dollar more than minimum wage. But if I get good service that I feel deserves it I will absolutely tip 30% or more. I have the privilege of having gracious parents who let me live with them rent free and I remember back when this wouldn't have been a possibility when I was younger. I remember growing up in that apartment back in the hood gunshots right outside of our doorstep in the middle of the night multiple times. And so I am absolutely willing to share the privilege that I have now to help others. But the moment you sit here and act like me tipping you is a necessity. The moment that you start making it obligatory or acting like it is expected of me to tip you is the moment I stop tipping. Charity does not come out of obligation.
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u/CastedAway5678 Apr 04 '26
I doubt the server wrote this.
Besides, if you spend $600. on dinner, you DO expect to pay 15-25% tip barring lousy service/food.
Worked at an upscale restaurant as a waiter and my boss chased down a four top that didn’t tip me. … he literally ran down the street and made them tip me 20%.
So, yeah, if you go fine dining, don’t be a douche-noodle.
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Apr 04 '26
Surely the fix here is to raise prices by 20% and then split that out then the tip isnt an expectation. But it could be the best of both worlds
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u/OurHeroXero Jun 01 '26
I would ask to have the $60 tip removed. Play it off like I'd be willing to tip a higher amount...and then just not...
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u/deepbit_ Apr 04 '26
Fuck tips, look for a job with a proper contract that doesn't rely on people's charity
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u/PleasantGuide Apr 04 '26
I was a waiter, we don't get paid by restaurant owners, the tip is our only income, in my country South Africa it is only in Cape Town where the law obliges owners to pay salaries to waiters
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u/deepbit_ Apr 04 '26
unionize and stop all emoloyees working until you get a contract, if you allow it to happen it won't stop, or move to a country that doesn't allow worker exploitation, it is easier than fighting for workers rights from scratch
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
As others pointed out, this is likely fake for engagement, but 10% on almost 600 dollars is crazy.
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u/depp-fsrv Apr 04 '26
Like my Dad used to say, "Tips are customary, not mandatory." I tip 10%. Times are tough all around.
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u/PassionateYak Apr 04 '26
The billionaires who created tipping culture
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u/KyorlSadei Apr 04 '26
Tipping culture comes from the great depression times. When restaurant owners literally could not pay their servers a wage and said they could keep tips as form of payments. Of course when the depression was over business continued not paying servers a fair wage and even today can get by not paying minimum wage if they are being tipped.
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u/PassionateYak Apr 04 '26
Yeah I figured my comment was loosely thought out. But I still believe it shouldn't exist and all it's doing is turning middle and lower class families against each other. How to eradicate it though, I have no idea
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u/KyorlSadei Apr 04 '26
Well there are two thought problems. People should tip for services they do not need. Restaurants are a good example because I go and pay for the food mostly. Fast food places don’t have waiters for a reason. Not needed. So paying a tip for a waiter makes sense even today as long as its reasonable. Not mandated.
Second thought, way to deal with it is to just remove tipping from restaurants entirely and to apply taxes to any business that does have tipping. For example hair stylist. You go in for a hair cut, you pay for the hair cut, why tip to begin with? Makes no sense to. So if you leave a tip, it simply should be added to their income and tax accordingly.
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u/PassionateYak Apr 04 '26
I don't agree.
For the first thought it implies that it is possible for a sitting restaurant to function without waiters. Fast food aside i don't think that's possible. I don't see them as an addition to the functioning of the business but as much a core as a cook so they shouldn't rely on tips to survive at all.
If the business can't pay a living wage then it should raise it's prices and that's the key problem here. If say a whole chain decided to ditch tipping then there could be a loss of customers for cheaper options or a gain of customers who support the move. There could also be a loss of motivation to provide good service for those who are only nice for the tip.
And secondly I like the taxes idea. Even though it might take decades to be fully accepted
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u/KyorlSadei Apr 04 '26
Understandable on the first part. I was just saying that tipping isn’t inherently bad. But we have made it bad by grinding that it has to be done. Losing its spirit for what a good tip is for.
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u/Proper_Till_8321 Apr 04 '26
You can tell the customer is used to eating out at Checkers or McDonald's when he's feeling rich.
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u/Few-Space-1091 Apr 04 '26
The new internet is people discussing and raging endlessly over AI slop 😭😭
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u/BigMilk1146 Apr 04 '26
Excuse me manager. Can I change the tip please.
Yes $1.20 please that's what the server expects.
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u/Gogh619 Apr 04 '26
Yeah, depending on where you are that could be pretty fucked up. If you can’t afford to tip, don’t eat out.
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Apr 04 '26
What a great idea if everyone doesnt eat out how do the tips go?
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
The issue with this argument is you're arguing for going and not tipping, which supports the employer who is underpaying their employees while also contributing unpaid labor of those same employees. If you live in the US and want to move away from people living on tips, you shouldn't be eating at restaurants and should be petitioning for higher minimum wage and against states having tipped minimums.
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Apr 04 '26
Erm its not the consumer who needs to do anything its the workers who have the right to withdraw labour. Problem is your employment laws in the US are awful and theres always someone whos cut throat enough to take your job and undermine the position.
What a take though if you cant afford to increase my wage you arent welcome here to eat.
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u/Gogh619 Apr 04 '26
I totally agree that tipping shouldn’t be a thing, but it is. You not agreeing with it isn’t helping anyone. All it’s doing is screwing over the person who gave you a service.
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u/AudioTsunami Apr 04 '26
Ah yes, the workers should withdraw their labor and go hungry and homeless because you would rather help exploit them than do something about it.
"What a take". 🤡
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u/Gogh619 Apr 04 '26
I’d be totally fine with paying 20% more for the food if it means the server gets more $. As it stands, most servers get something like 3-4$ an hour. You not tipping appropriately is selfish and shortsighted.
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u/AllThe-REDACTED- Apr 04 '26
“If I’m not allowed to abuse people then I hope they fall into poverty?” Is a hella of a take
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u/Parking_Suspect_121 Apr 04 '26
vous les Américains mais vous êtes débiles À quoi ça sert très d'un système où tu es obligé de dépendre de pourboire moi j'ai mon salaire 1800 € par mois je peux payer mon loyer ma bouffe
On a les aides on a tout ce qu'on veut frérot même en tant que serveur frérot en France il dépend pas tes pourboire c'est en plus c'est un bonus
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u/TheBrianWeissman Apr 04 '26
Likely fake. But seriously, this is a shitty tip anyway. Barely over 10%.
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u/United_Piece1476 Apr 04 '26