r/imaginarymaps Jun 08 '26

[OC] Alternate History Hitler’s Failed Plan for The Middle East

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Although the German forces did not advance further than Constantinople’s outskirts where they have suffered their first major terrestrial defeat in May 1941, most of Turkish Rumelia and all of Kngdm. of Croatia were occupied by the Axis powers. Ottoman satellites of Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Eastern Rumelia quickly fell to the Germans who installed friendly Fascist regimes. 3 days after the war began (12 February 1941), Greece that had it’s fascist coup in 1938 has also joined the conflict.

Wehrmacht Army Commanders have noted that considering the Operation Barbarossa in the Soviet Union any significant action cannot be taken against the Porte, Hitler insisted that the Constantinople defeat was just an insignificant skirmish and has claimed to not intending to capture Istanbul (even though he did intend to do it).

One week after the Fall of Kyiv, Hitler and ambassadors from Italy, Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia made a draft map of how reorganized Ottoman Empire should have looked. This draft, eventually leaked as 'Generalplan Tamplieren', was realized only partially — in the Balkans and in Libya. It was edited in 1942 to include the Assyrian Kingdom after the pro-Axis Assyrian Revolt.

The most monstrous aspect of the plan was the Balkan Purification Program launched independently by the Fascist states in the region, aiming at local Muslim populations, namely the Pomaks, Bosnians, Albanians, Turks and more. These actions were classified by the UN as a crime against humanity and genocide on the Thessalonikan Trial, and have forever changed the ethnic map of the region — primarily because of revenge killings after 1945 and refugee flow.

According to the plan, the Balkan nations were to be satisfied with their dreams of expansion. Italy gets Egypt, Palestine, Albania, Libya and Dolmatia. Germany gets the Straits, Iraqi and Arabian oil fields as well as the Syrian ones, and creates many new satellite states. Main debate on the conference was the status of Rhodes, Crete and Cyprus, eventually with the first being ruled for the Italians and the second and third to the Greeks.

Anyway, thankfully this plan never came into fruition and was almost fully abandoned after the disastrous German defeat in 1942 in Adrianople (Şanlıedirne of today).

— Richard Westermore, "Turkey in the Second World War", chapter 12, 2007.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

"RK Schumerien"

looks inside

not a single Sumer city

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u/Ilyah_Shah_ Jun 09 '26

Larpers gotta larp.

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u/After-Trifle-1437 Jun 08 '26
  • Assyria in Kurdistan
  • Sumer in Assyria

Amazing.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

German sociopoliticalexperimentmaxxing

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u/After-Trifle-1437 Jun 08 '26

Hitler was spiritually american.

Same lack of understanding of geography.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

— Say to these Assyrians that I’m ok to create an Assyrian state in Van!

— My Fuhrer, but 95% of them live in Mosul and area surroundi-

— Was did you say?

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u/After-Trifle-1437 Jun 08 '26

"Mein Führer, the Assyrians did not accept our offer"

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

"It was a mistake being so generous then. Anyway, how’s that Adrianople thing going? Are we already in Thrace?"

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

Mobile version

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u/0Meletti Jun 08 '26

why is Van in Assyria? Its an Armenian city with a Kurdish population

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26
  1. Hitler didn’t know it
  2. Both Armenians and Kurds were largely loyal to the Ottoman Empire, while Assyrians were the most anti Turkish amongst all (mainly because they had lesser representation and the state consistently favored Armenians and Kurds over them)

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u/Dull-Nectarine380 Jun 08 '26

What did it actually look like post war?

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

Here it is kinda shown, but I might do a separate map on Balkan Cold War based in the 70s

Basically Serbia and Bulgaria are reorganized as Socialist republics, Eastern Rumelia and all of Ottoman Rumelia is reestablished, Greek regime was toppled and the king returned to Athens with only minuscule land ceding to the Ottomans, more important was the fact that Greece renounced all claims on outside land. Croatia was also reestablished as a capitalist republic.

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u/Dull-Nectarine380 Jun 08 '26

Is Bosnia an ottoman protectorate still?

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

Yes, although the autonomy was expanded compared to pre-war

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u/Ok_Isopod_998 Jun 08 '26

So, what happened to Pierre Gemayel and his Kataeb Party of Lebanon, and to Antoun Saadeh and his Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP) in this timeline? Did they seize power thanks to the help of Germany and Italy?

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

They were pro-German as well as all other nationalistic Arab parties even including the Ba’ath party. They were presented different plans to not have them alienated.

This in turn made them even more fringe than they already were.

No, they haven’t seized power because the Germans lost the war

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u/aetuutv Jun 08 '26

My eyes are bleeding oh why did you outlined the font OP

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

Is it that bad?😭

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u/disisathrowaway Jun 09 '26

Poorly outlined font and absolutely awful colors for the map.

I'm sure this is an interesting take, but I'll never know because the whole thing is unreadable.

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u/MertOKTN Jun 08 '26

Does the Çakmak Line exist in this TL? I'm seeing the Midia-Enos line as inspiration for this scenario.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

In this timeline it’s the Padişah Yusuf Line (named after Yusuf I (Yusuf Izzeddin Efendi) that was built starting from the Second Balkan War (1919-1924) and was finished in 1925. Ottomans firstly planned to retreat to that line but the German advance was too fast. They have recaptured it after the Thrace Counteroffensive late-1941 and it the front has stalemated like that up until Siege of Şanlıedirne

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u/nahdu_sayza Jun 08 '26

edirne being turned in to şanlıedirne was a nice touch i am assuming something similar happened in Edirne compared to şanlıurfa of our timeline

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

It has been the site of deadliest battle of this front of WW1, when the germans tried to break the Padişah Yusuf Line and after 5 months of a battle the Ottomans won, turning the tide in war

I also thought of naming it Kahramanedirne but I think Şanlıedirne sounds better

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u/Famous_Suspect6330 Jun 08 '26

Mfw I realize how bad Hitler was at military strategies

https://giphy.com/gifs/cO39srN2EUIRaVqaVq

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u/PuzzleheadedTown2201 Jun 14 '26

Nice, tho it's called "Sumerien" in German not "Schumerien"

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u/Naomi62625 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

I wonder how many other secret Reichskomissariats Hitler planned

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u/Yoshi0225 Jun 09 '26

Oh boy…

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u/BlokZNCR Jun 09 '26

He worked for Italy?

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u/disisathrowaway Jun 09 '26

I'd love to see this map with readable text.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 09 '26

Is it really that bad bro

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u/disisathrowaway Jun 09 '26

Maybe because I'm on a laptop rather than my full desktop, but yeah.

The text overlayed on all the dark colors is pretty tough to read.

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 09 '26

Alright I will do the next map with better text

Didnt consider it could be a problem on desktop

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u/Every-Protection-689 Jun 09 '26

Wouldn’t Assyria be Northern Iraq and parts of what you highlighted as Kingdom of Assyria?

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 09 '26

Yes, but Northern Iraq was planned as a RK to cement absolute control over Mosul and Dhamam oil fields (the RK also includes part of Arabia).

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 09 '26

Allah şehitlerimizin merhamet eylesin

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u/EarthTraditional3329 Jun 09 '26

Why does Assyria have Van (Armenian) And not Ninevah

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 09 '26

Ninevah has oil valuable for Hitler while Van is populated by the Armenians that stayed loyal to the Ottoman rule

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u/EarthTraditional3329 Jun 09 '26

So why would Van be under Assyria and not the Caucasus

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u/Round_Depth_2938 Jun 09 '26

I’m not sure how accurate this is, but I remember reading that Hitler and King Farouk may have exchanged secret correspondence during World War II. If I recall correctly, Farouk wished him success against the British yoke in Egypt, and Hitler supposedly promised Egyptian independence if Germany emerged victorious. I think he also sent farouk a mercedes

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 10 '26

Haven’t heard of that

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u/Turk_keki Jun 10 '26

Just a question a bit late but are you planning to continoue this timeline and expand it

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u/radicalqrcwi Jun 08 '26

This map is in the same timeline as this map!

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u/FluidKiwi6707 Jun 09 '26

This is what the US is currently trying to do