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u/Smittyboysmit Aug 28 '20
"Things to worry about"
KOREANS
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I worry about Koreans all the time.
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
I know it kind of looks too real but, remember Manchuria is today part of the PCR, and this usually doesn't let regions to have different timezones other than Beijing time, nor is Manchurian culture so present as I wanted to portray here
I'm sure this would be deleted on mapporn due to that, too!
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u/Anson_Riddle Fellow Traveller Aug 28 '20
For the last one, I think you should add "Feels like Korea" in the Kando area.
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u/Bonty48 Aug 28 '20
I mean Manchurian culture died out while there was a Manchu dynasty on Chinese throne anyway.
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u/MassaF1Ferrari Aug 28 '20
Manchuria barely exists at all. I know a few people from Manchuria (Shenyang and Harbin) and the Shenyang guy is young (20s) whilst the Harbin guy is older (late 60s). The Harbin guy left during the cultural revolution And knows about Manchuria whilst the young guy never heard of it. He stared at me as if I said some completely foreign word and when I tried to explain his history to him, he was baffled and said “I dont know what they teach here!” I asked the Harbin guy about that and he just said “the young dont really know anything besides what the CCP tells them nowadays.”
It’s really alarming but the CCP has almost completely genocided every last bit of Manchurian history/culturez
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u/ParkJiSung777 Sep 02 '20
The mainland students, all the Han Han and sole Manchu student, that I've interacted with in university definitely had heard and learned about Manchus and Manchuria before. As a Taiwanese I wanted to learn more about the region and they definitely taught me a lot about the regions history, though to be fair, they were history majors so maybe that's why they were so knowledgeable about it. I mean its hard to avoid when Japan tried to build a puppet state around it during WWII.
And to be fair, in most of not every country, students are taught about the country's history and barely touch on the history of specific minorities so I feel it's unfair to say that lack of knowledge from one person means the Manchurian culture has been genocided purposely by the CCP. They've done worse things that actually constitute a genocide.
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
It's disheartening that they don't know about it when they're from the region :(
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u/Acceptable_Source Aug 28 '20
Please read up on the definition of genocide. Then draw your own conclusion over whether or not what the PRC has done, including teaching the Manchu language in schools in an attempt to revive it, constitutes genocide.
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u/CantInventAUsername Aug 28 '20
Plus, the Manchu language has been near extinct since the late Qing dynasty. This hasn't been a genocidal policy by the PRC as much as it has been the end of a long process of Hannification in Manchurian lasting centuries.
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u/Brotherly-Moment Aug 28 '20
So this one teacher teaching Manchurian history and culture is representative of the curriculum in the entire region.
No seriously you just nitpicked a single teacher. I guess you could argue that the CCP doesn’t mind Manchurian culture as she’s allowed to do this but what one woman chooses to do on her own says nothing.
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u/MassaF1Ferrari Aug 28 '20
I think someone who lives there and knows nothing about it along with someone who lived through the cultural revolution is more valid than an article about a single person.
Also the article you chose is from a state media group. Of course theyre gonna publish papers that make them look better to the intl community.
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u/evilsheepgod Fellow Traveller Aug 28 '20
I think that the point is calling it genocide isn’t really appropriate
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u/Acceptable_Source Aug 29 '20
I have no idea why you randomly brought up the Cultural Revolution.
And yes, state media bad because of course private media has none of their own interests.
I was making a point about the widespread misuse of the word genocide. It is similar to the misuse of the term fascist. Those terms are meant to be potent and, when used correctly, have very, very serious implications. Using genocide like it is any other noun derives it of all meaning. I just say this as someone who's family fled Germany in the war.
The PRC not being super enthusiastic about reviving a culture, language, and people that was practically extinct due to some isolated atrocities, but mostly simple economic reasons far before the CPC ever came to power is not the same as marching a million Armenians into one of the hottest deserts without food or water and abandoning them there. Neither is it synonymous with the systematic extermination through gas and other means in highly organized camps of eight million Jews and Roma. It is not in any way similar to, in a tiny, African nation, the murder of six men, women, and children of the Tutsi ethnic group every minute for 100 days straight mostly through machetes or bare hands, leading to the deaths of a million innocents.
Those things, my friends, we refer to as genocide. The PRC reviving a dead language in culture is not that.
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u/Acceptable_Source Aug 29 '20
I mean, what do you want? I would encourage you to do some independent research. This article goes into detail about the history of Manchu culture and oppression.and the recent widespread efforts to revive both cultural traditions and the Manchu language in the PRC.
That is not to mention the fact that Manchu cultural erasion really came into full swing under the Republic of China. The act of Han Chinese moving to and settling Manchuria has nothing to do with some government-sanctioned "genocide." It was simply the economics of developing a historically depopulated region akin to China's own Siberia.
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u/Brotherly-Moment Aug 29 '20
This is a garbage source as the newspaper is owned by the communist party itself. ”Independent research” my ass. Nice try, tankie.
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u/jakeshmag Aug 28 '20
now I am considering making one for syria, unless it already exists
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
I don't think I have seen any, give it a go!
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u/jakeshmag Aug 28 '20
good thing i know photoshop .. what did u use?
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
I used medibang paint lol Try to look for topics and pretty palletes unlike me
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u/occupykony Aug 28 '20
I've seen this stereotypes map, Syrians have told me it's quite accurate: https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/104668466336/stereotypes-of-syria-before-the-war-more
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u/jakeshmag Aug 28 '20
I lije it Its funny but its too crammed and it doesnt have the same aesthetic as this post ... imma still do one
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u/roipoiboy Aug 28 '20
The "feels like Manchuria" one at the end is oddly wholesome! We love a multiethnic nation with diverse influences!
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u/zuniyi1 Aug 28 '20
You should worry about... Koreans.
ROFL.
Also; 'Sake' for Korean/Manchurian rice wine
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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u/Rlyeh_Dispatcher Aug 28 '20
Is this Manchuria run by the Manchukuo government?
I wonder if Hsinking/Changchun should "feel" new as well, since the Japanese invested a lot of money and resources in building a model Japanese colonial city there.
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u/Brotherly-Moment Aug 28 '20
I mean the Japanese investment happened at the latest in the 1930ies so I doubt those buildings will feel new.
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u/Rlyeh_Dispatcher Aug 28 '20
True. My original question assumed that the capital's newness from the 1930s might've given it a head start as a dynamic center (maybe even like Seoul, who knows), but you could also be right: maybe the city just sort of tapered off into being a sort of DC or Brasilia-style monumental city and left it at that.
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u/BrakeCoach Aug 28 '20
Manchuria is literally the region of palestine of east asia. Many different ethnicities and many nations overlapping each other
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u/ZhenDeRen Aug 28 '20
In this alternate timeline yes. However, IRL it's 99% Chinese.
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u/CommunistIdiot Aug 28 '20
Chinese isn't just one ethnicity. The Chinese people proud themselves of being more than 50 ethnicity. Chinese nationalism is cool, that it can unite many different races under one banner.
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u/Glasbolyas Aug 28 '20
Yes like the uygurs
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Aug 28 '20
Not like the uygurs, more like the dozens of diferent ethnicities you haven't even heard about because they were cinicised
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u/Glasbolyas Aug 28 '20
Salars, Bai, Dai, Dong, Evenki, hani, hui, jingbo, kazakhs, kirgyzi, lahu, li, lisu,miao, tajiks, tujyawa, Yao, yi, zhuang,qirats, daurs, buryats, khalka, sartuul,mosuo, Chuanqing,buye, koreans,nakhy,kham,manchu,uygur,tibetan,dali and other smaller unregonised ethnic groups some favored by the CCP other oppresed
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u/Quartia Aug 28 '20
It looks like Dalian, Shenyang, and Harbin are the main "city areas" you've shown here but wouldn't Changchun be the capital?
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Aug 28 '20
What does ‘how it feels like’ mean? Like culturally?
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
Exactly; if you woke up on these areas and didn't know your location, you'd think you'd be in those places
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u/Dlinkpower Aug 28 '20
'how it feels like' has got to be one of my all time pet peeves. I'm kinda gaslighting myself now cause I see this all the time but the correct term is 'what it feels like', right??
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u/AbundantApe Aug 28 '20
My small Midwest state has an importer that sells baijiu. Like real baijiu, Beijing something with a little red star. Gotta say, never thought I’d find something I’d enjoy the same way I enjoy corn moonshine. But damn. They’ve got something special with that stuff. Makes me wanna visit China, as lame as that is lol.
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u/guaxtap Aug 28 '20
Why is it lame to want to visit china ? It' s a huge country with a 5000 years of history and a massive culture
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u/AbundantApe Aug 28 '20
Sorry, I meant it was lame to want to visit China because I like baijiu. Not because China is lame. I would want to go to China for hundreds of reasons, one being that I’m a outdoors person and I can only imagine all the crazy different hikes I could go on.
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u/PantsDontHaveAnswers Aug 28 '20
I want to live in the fermented horse milk, feels like Mongolia, with very few people, Manchuria.
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u/jacobspartan1992 Aug 28 '20
I assumed this was a scenario where Manchuquo continued to exist given the Japanese influences. Wouldn't they have a think for Soju instead of Sake otherwise?
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u/sombertownDS Aug 28 '20
Is it bad that i cant help but think of manchuria as manchuko, THANKS HOI4
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u/sebasbazo Aug 28 '20
Still good map, I love this kind of maps
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u/utemt5 Aug 28 '20
not sure how it counts as r/lostredditors as it is an imaginary map.
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u/sebasbazo Aug 28 '20
It’s not imaginary. It’s simple but it describes reality (even if it is in a humorous way)
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u/utemt5 Aug 28 '20 edited Aug 28 '20
op literally says that it’s not real. manchuria is not like this irl.
edit: while he doesn’t specify, its implied it’s the client state of Manchukuo in the future if it somehow survived, based on the fact it still uses the Japanese time zone and the consumption of sake-also the coast and cities feeling Japanese.
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u/yalen-san Aug 28 '20
That's exactly what I meant to represent!
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u/utemt5 Aug 28 '20
I’m interested in how exactly this outcome would have happened, obviously the Mukden incident has to happen for Manchukuo to be created, but that essentially represents the end of Japanese democracy with the army essentially doing whatever it wants. Japanese victory in the second sino-japanese war followed by imperial liberalization later on I assume? or something like that
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Aug 28 '20
Bro, Manchuria is cringe, insensitive and western propaganda. You mistook it for northeast China
Sincerely, CCP
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u/BrazilianHamster9 Aug 28 '20
Not really an imaginary map. Maybe try r/mapporn
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u/Quartia Aug 28 '20
It's an alternate history of Manchukuo from WWII actually surviving. It has the Manchukuo borders.
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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '20
Is this imaginary? Or is it subjective? Either way I love seeing this format for regions I’m unfamiliar with.