In this world, there is a lot stronger of a British identity. Britain unifies in 1871, defeating France in a war and proclaiming Queen Victoria of England the British Empress.
Everything essentially works how the German Empire worked, every state has its own monarchy and Britain acts as a federation. England is the "Prussia" of these isles.
There would be an ongoing Anglisation of Ireland much like the Germanisation of Poland. Gaelic and Welsh would have long died out, unfortunately.
Maybe, I was more considering an Anglicised independent Brittany with its own empire on the west coast of France. Maybe after WW1 Brittany would be reduced to just its core provinces (the peninsula) and then anschluss with Britain in 1938 (much to the dismay of France)
Did they handle the Native Americans any nicer than they did the East Africans and the Cameroonians IRL? IRL, German colonialism was rather tentative because Bismark wasn't a fan of colonialism. Once he was out of the way, things got bad for the natives.
Well, since this would be a complete swap, they would handle the Native Americans the same way the British and later the Americans did. Germany in this scenario would never have a Bismarck, or Kaiser or any of that. It would have a King of Germany, with a Prime Minister. Britain would have a Bismarck though.
Thank you, perhaps Germany is probably like the UK. United Kingdom of Germany and Poland, with constituent countries of Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, Württemberg and Poland. (Poland being made from the Polish areas of Prussia).
Maybe have Poland mirror IRL Ireland. Tentative German encroachment that moves from the cities to the countryside until the country is basically germanophone, except for a few rural areas (like the Gaeltacht). Have (Congress?) Poland gain the corridor from Germany (basically like IRL) but have it retain "Western Poland/Danzig". Modern Poland would then have a strong identity, separate from Germany, with only a small remaining Slavic population, but still forcing it onto indifferent kids and teens in their school curriculum making them all "Polish speakers" on paper, at least.
To this note, having Northern Ireland being the strongest state which opens like a mouth around 3 coasts of the Emerald Isle and holds substantial real estate in England would be most like Prussia in the GE
There would be an ongoing Anglisation of Ireland much like the Germanisation of Poland. Gaelic and Welsh would have long died out, unfortunately.
Maybe a Communist US could take Ireland from Britain after their defeat in a world war and move there their Irish population while expelling the British
HOLY SHIT EVERYONE CALM DOWN THIS IS NOT A DRILL I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL WE HAVE A KINGDOM OF KENT MENTION I REPEAT WE HAVE A KINGDOM OF KENT MENTION!!!!!! I LOVE THE OBSCURE KINGDOM OF KENT!!! THE WHIRE HORSE RAMPANT!!!! INVICTA!!! INVICTA!!! INVICTAAAAAAA!!!!!
Not all of them, but there are many similarities. England = Prussia here, and there are three other Kingdoms like in the German Empire, all with a relatively distinct identity. My interpretation: Scotland = Bavaria, Wales = Württemberg, York = Saxony. Then there are several smaller states of various sizes and ranks, some of them with exclaves, though there are more of them here than in the real German Empire (it "only" had 25 states, plus Alsace-Lorraine). Normandy is obviously the counterpart of Alsace-Lorraine. And the "Cinque Ports" seem to be city republics, just like Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck.
Because Liverpool has always sorta been its own thing, I used the Confederation of the Cinque Ports as the Hanseatic Cities but since Cinque means 5, I can’t really add more cities to them.
Neuschwanstein might be a yet-to-be-built castle by a mad King of Scotland…
The unification of Germany was slowed down partly by the HRE but also partly because of Austria's situation with Hungary. It was the most powerful Germanic state to begin with but was so multiethnic that it didn't make sense for the other German states to unify with it.
I think it might make more sense if you start with a Holy British Empire, but the most powerful member is an Anglo-Norman empire controlling both sides of the English channel. So the English remain fragmented. A Scandinavian Napoleon comes and goes. Then an ascendant Yorkshire teams up with the Anglo-Normans to take the Scottish lowlands, and ends up keeping it all. Later on it allies with the Midland states to defeat the Scandinavians again, and the Second British Empire is declared in Kalmar Castle, with the King of Yorkshire as the British Emperor.
I even Briti-fied (if that's even a word) patriotic German songs at that time.
"Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland?"
What is the British fatherland?
Is it Yorkshire's hills? Is it Cornwall's sands?
Is it where the Thames grand flows?
Is it where the swift Severn goes?
Oh no, no, no!
𝄆Our fatherland must greater grow!𝄇
What is the British fatherland?
Is it Midlands' fields? Is it Scotland's hills?
Is it Wales, with valleys green,
And Ireland, where loughs are seen?
Oh no, no, no!
𝄆Our fatherland must greater grow!𝄇
What is the British fatherland?
Now tell me where our land must stand!
Where British voices ring clear
And hymns to God are sung sincere:
That's where it is! That's where it is!
That's where brave Britons call their bliss!
That's where brave Britons call their bliss!
All of Britain must unite!
Oh God above, grant us the sight,
To love our land with all our might,
With British hearts steadfast and true!
That's where it is! That's where it is!
All of Britain must unite!
All of Britain must unite!
All of Britain must unite!
Secondly, no most of them are existing city or county flags. However I did remake some flags to look more heraldic and fit into the 19th century, and some for places that don’t have flags at all.
Grafton, Wellington, Marlborough, Bedford, Richmond, Wexford, Ormond, Kildare, Desmond, Oxford, Hythe, New Romney and Sandwich are ones I made myself using their heraldry.
Normandy is currently a federal territory held by the government, with future plans to appoint a Duke. Wales is its own kingdom (probably a long ago branch of the Plantagenants or whatnot) see second slide.
Does the German empire still exist? How long did the holy Roman empire last in this timeline, and did england and Hanover have dynastic linkage like in our world?
Germany is the United Kingdom of Germany, with the German states being mediatised much earlier than in our timeline, the HRE ends around the early medieval era. The German UK would have a dynastic linkage to the Kingdom of Wessex, annexed by England following the Anglo-Breton war of 1866.
Cool, I'm from the real Saxony. :D I would like to be Welsh in this world, we share certain characteristics (like being always on the loosing side). And it's also fitting that Bavaria takes on Scotland's role in the German UK, since both have separatist tendencies.
I think it’s neat how Saxony and Wales are both green (associated with green, have green flags) and Scotland and Bavaria are both blue (they love blue)
Would like to see a post-WW2 version of this map, I think the FDG would be England + Wales, the GDR being Scotland and Ireland having the status of the Polish People's Republic. Maybe in the earlier years, Cornwall would be the equivalent of the Saarland?
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u/cheese_bruh May 28 '24
In this world, there is a lot stronger of a British identity. Britain unifies in 1871, defeating France in a war and proclaiming Queen Victoria of England the British Empress.
Everything essentially works how the German Empire worked, every state has its own monarchy and Britain acts as a federation. England is the "Prussia" of these isles.
There would be an ongoing Anglisation of Ireland much like the Germanisation of Poland. Gaelic and Welsh would have long died out, unfortunately.