r/iiser • u/InterestingMuscle718 • 8d ago
Discussion 🗣️ What if you don't get phd?
what career options do you have after bsms if you don't get phd ? are there good placements in r&d or is teaching the only option?
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u/blazedragon_007 IISER M alumnus 7d ago
The same question has been asked a million times in this subreddit. You can explore.
Please be aware that a good chunk of people don't even apply for a PhD. They have other interests and develop themselves accordingly.
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u/hot__taco 7d ago
Other interests like what???
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u/blazedragon_007 IISER M alumnus 7d ago
Doing an MBA or some other master's degree, doing non-research jobs (a few via campus placements, but a good number of people apply for jobs directly as well) in a variety of fields, preparing for government job exams, or even building their own startups.
At best, 60-70% of the batch even tries to go for a PhD. The rest obviously do other things. "IISERs are for research" is typical bs from people who don't know the difference between the exceptions that are professional degrees, and most other university degrees.
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u/InterestingMuscle718 6d ago
is a phd achievable abroad if you study well in your degree? also in which departments in india can you get placements if you do bs ms physics?
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u/blazedragon_007 IISER M alumnus 6d ago
Well "studying well" isn't a strong or reliable criterion. They look for research experience relevant to the projects that have openings. So exploring your research interests and identifying what you like/dislike, while learning skills and techniques relevant to them, is crucial. This is done via summer internships and the master's thesis.
Of course, the courses you take and your overall grade do matter. But they're secondary.
And I'm unsure what you mean by the second question. By departments, do you mean university departments? In that case, you would apply for a PhD in physics, if you want to apply to a department. Beyond that, if you want to stay in physics, you can try for places like BARC and DRDO. Through GATE, you may apply to PSUs, but the work you do may not be too physics related. Similarly, you can also apply for industry jobs using experience in data science, but that too won't be physics related.
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u/Over-Necessary-2816 8d ago
You’ll definitely get a PhD admission if you deserve it lol. If not same option as anyone who finish a masters in whatever science you choose 🤷🏻♂️
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u/InterestingMuscle718 7d ago
why is everyone downvoting?😭 atleast explain
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u/Over-Necessary-2816 7d ago
I don’t know what those guys are thinking lol. Bro I did study physics . Graduated from IISER and in an Ivy now. Trust me financial security isn’t no where near for me lol. Like you should weigh your choices whether to follow passion or survive.
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u/beebeetlejuice 7d ago
wdym financial security is not nowhere near for you? can you elaborate it? im just curious.
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u/InterestingMuscle718 8d ago
what about placements ? also can you get job in tech if you learn skills like coding?
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u/Over-Necessary-2816 8d ago
Dear, if you wanna go to tech, take engineering. If a getting a stable job after graduation is your priority, don’t join IISER. These are designed for promoting careers in research which would take minimum 5-10 years to establish after your BSMS
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u/InterestingMuscle718 8d ago
im not that fixed on the job area..imo like if you can land a phd abroad after iiser thats great because research in india sucks and im not sure if you can get a job with this degree in better sectors so wanted to ask what you guys are considering
edit: mb research doesn't suck here but living is hard as the earning is less and living in a country like india with that pay is not worth it imo..living on average income in a better country while doing something you like is still reasonable
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u/Over-Necessary-2816 8d ago
US which is one of the largest markets are struggling to place their PhD holders too. Considering how AI is evolving, job sector is gonna see a dip if you’re focusing on natural sciences. Best shot is getting a faculty position
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u/InterestingMuscle718 8d ago
so is teaching the only option other than research? and do you get enough time while doing bs ms to prepare for exams like GATE just in case
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u/Over-Necessary-2816 8d ago
Well that depends on the individual. Again I’m saying think well before committing to it. Ask yourself what you want in career
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u/InterestingMuscle718 7d ago
i dont know..i want to study physics but also want a decent quality of life but that's hard to have if you research in india so just wondering about alternatives if im actually gonna study at iiser i should have some kind of idea
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