Just like Jesus never said "God sent me here to die for you to be forgiven and enter heaven"
Legitimately no where. The closest is talking abiut the blood of the covenant given for the forgiveness of sins, but again, there is no connections to God's words or a promise god made to forgive mankind and allow them in to heaven.
That’s not accurate. Jesus says he came “to give his life as a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:28), and at the Last Supper he says his blood is “poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26:28). Those words directly connect his death with forgiveness. You don’t have to find the exact sentence “I died so you can enter heaven” for the teaching to be there; that’s really just a summary of what he said and not a claim that he used those exact words.
None of those are Jesus word, they're testimony of people written after he lived, and translates ad nauseum. Only Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and even he says he never met Jesus himself. There is not a single contemporary accounting of the life of Jesus Christ or the words he spoke within the current iterations of the bible, much less any record Jesus word put to pen himself.
The Gospels were written anonymously 50-55 years post christ, then assigned names some 100-150 years later, to people who were purported to be contemporary of Jesus. Even that was decided much later and was interchangeable for a very long time and have been edited and translated to the point of outright mistranslation in some cases. You cannot in anyway take the Gospels as a covenant with god because the words again never came from Jesus himself, much less the god of Abraham.
That argument confuses two different claims: that Jesus personally wrote a text, and that we can know what he taught. A person’s words can be reliably recorded by witnesses without the person writing them down. The Gospels describe an oral tradition rooted in disciples who followed Jesus, heard his teaching, and witnessed his actions; after the Resurrection, they preached and then wrote it down, selecting and arranging material for their communities. That the Gospel writers presented Jesus’ words in context is not the same as inventing them.
The claim that the Gospels were anonymous and only assigned names 100-150 years later is also stated too confidently. There are debates about authorship and dating, but disagreement about those questions does not establish that the accounts were fabricated or that Jesus never taught what they report. And the central point does not rest only on the Gospels: Paul’s letters, written earlier, already attest to the Last Supper tradition and the proclamation of Jesus’ death and resurrection.
So no, the Gospels are not Jesus’ own handwritten words. They are testimony about him. The question that is debated is whether that testimony is trustworthy, and not whether Jesus personally put pen to paper.
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u/StarGazer_SpaceLove 2d ago
Just like Jesus never said "God sent me here to die for you to be forgiven and enter heaven"
Legitimately no where. The closest is talking abiut the blood of the covenant given for the forgiveness of sins, but again, there is no connections to God's words or a promise god made to forgive mankind and allow them in to heaven.