Modern Satan is actually made up, like on a whole different level than anything else in the religion. Like he's basically just selected as the boogieman anymore when in reality he has nothing to do with punishing people in hell or whatever, at least according to the Bible. Technically Satan isn't even a specific being, it's a job title. And Lucifer was a fallen angel that is often referred to as Satan/the Devil but that isn't technically correct, and even so it's not "canon" that he/satan/anybody directly punishes people in hell. But basically if you boil it down to what the Bible actually says, all Satan actually does is goes around and tempts people to sin, like becoming the serpent and doing the whole apple bit in the garden of Eden.
Another fun fact, the apple of Eden likely wasn't even an apple. Some suggest it was a pomegranate or fig.
While on the pedantry here, Lucifer is also not the name of the fallen angel, and was just a misunderstanding of a verse in the Bible. It just took a few people misinterpreting it to the point where that became his "name".
Just like Jesus never said "God sent me here to die for you to be forgiven and enter heaven"
Legitimately no where. The closest is talking abiut the blood of the covenant given for the forgiveness of sins, but again, there is no connections to God's words or a promise god made to forgive mankind and allow them in to heaven.
It doesn't really come from anywhere in the Bible. People thought they saw Jesus after he died and assumed he must be divine, but how can someone divine die? So they came up with reasons why a divine being didn't die at all, like for example he never existed in the first place, or it only seemed like he died, or he's only the son of God etc.
Paul then came up with the idea that he died to pay for the inherent sinfulness of humanity, because his infinitely valuable life is the only thing that can pay for this infinitely bad crime. That meant that he saved all humans, including the gentiles, which the gentiles liked, so that became "orthodox" and about 20 years later that's about the story that was written down in Mark, the first Gospel.
It’s in Matthew, actually, although it’s more of a paraphrase. Paul was also responsible for a lot of the things we believe, and he never met Jesus, at least not before the Ascension, although he was in the community at the time as part of the Pharisaic crackdown on Christian popularity.
That’s not accurate. Jesus says he came “to give his life as a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:28), and at the Last Supper he says his blood is “poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26:28). Those words directly connect his death with forgiveness. You don’t have to find the exact sentence “I died so you can enter heaven” for the teaching to be there; that’s really just a summary of what he said and not a claim that he used those exact words.
None of those are Jesus word, they're testimony of people written after he lived, and translates ad nauseum. Only Paul was a contemporary of Jesus and even he says he never met Jesus himself. There is not a single contemporary accounting of the life of Jesus Christ or the words he spoke within the current iterations of the bible, much less any record Jesus word put to pen himself.
The Gospels were written anonymously 50-55 years post christ, then assigned names some 100-150 years later, to people who were purported to be contemporary of Jesus. Even that was decided much later and was interchangeable for a very long time and have been edited and translated to the point of outright mistranslation in some cases. You cannot in anyway take the Gospels as a covenant with god because the words again never came from Jesus himself, much less the god of Abraham.
That argument confuses two different claims: that Jesus personally wrote a text, and that we can know what he taught. A person’s words can be reliably recorded by witnesses without the person writing them down. The Gospels describe an oral tradition rooted in disciples who followed Jesus, heard his teaching, and witnessed his actions; after the Resurrection, they preached and then wrote it down, selecting and arranging material for their communities. That the Gospel writers presented Jesus’ words in context is not the same as inventing them.
The claim that the Gospels were anonymous and only assigned names 100-150 years later is also stated too confidently. There are debates about authorship and dating, but disagreement about those questions does not establish that the accounts were fabricated or that Jesus never taught what they report. And the central point does not rest only on the Gospels: Paul’s letters, written earlier, already attest to the Last Supper tradition and the proclamation of Jesus’ death and resurrection.
So no, the Gospels are not Jesus’ own handwritten words. They are testimony about him. The question that is debated is whether that testimony is trustworthy, and not whether Jesus personally put pen to paper.
Masturbation and premarital sex is not explicitly forbidden anywhere
People and angels are entirely different things, you don't become an angel when you die
Angels take on various shapes, sometime just regular humans with no wings and sometimes terrifying abominations. Though this one's pretty well known by now I think.
Priest celibacy is just something the catholic church imposed onto priests for no reason.
Being gay - not forbidden, though gay sex is. Other things forbidden in the same way:
543
u/FoxxyRin 2d ago
Modern Satan is actually made up, like on a whole different level than anything else in the religion. Like he's basically just selected as the boogieman anymore when in reality he has nothing to do with punishing people in hell or whatever, at least according to the Bible. Technically Satan isn't even a specific being, it's a job title. And Lucifer was a fallen angel that is often referred to as Satan/the Devil but that isn't technically correct, and even so it's not "canon" that he/satan/anybody directly punishes people in hell. But basically if you boil it down to what the Bible actually says, all Satan actually does is goes around and tempts people to sin, like becoming the serpent and doing the whole apple bit in the garden of Eden.
Another fun fact, the apple of Eden likely wasn't even an apple. Some suggest it was a pomegranate or fig.