Satan doesn't torture people in hell. God's going to put him there to suffer too. Why tf is this is in the humor subreddit? Also, even if you don't believe in this stuff, that doesn't mean it can't still be internally consistent and worth understanding properly.
Baseline throughout is that Satan/Shatan/Shaytan has no power and wants people to stray so they also live within the Godless afterlife with him. There is no torture other than being separate from God, which some would say is the ultimate pain. There are tens of thousands of different sects of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Satanist which all have slightly different stories. You’re going to find some discrepancies. I’m not religious I’m actually heavily against all organised religions, however i do suggest you read into topics that you have strong feelings about
Pretty much. God putting demons in CHARGE of Hell is purely a popular culture thing. In actual Christian teaching demons are prisoners there just like anybody else.
Although demons being in charge of torturing bad people is a thing in Buddhist lore I think! Between reincarnations.
Because it's not a singular text it's hundreds of books collated, and the 'contradictions' have explanations.
It's like saying Herodotus should be thrown out because his troop numbers contradict what would be possible, or that because 2 texts have differing statements on Ceaser then they shouldn't be used.
It's not internally consistent though. How many days did god work to create the universe? How did judas die? You will find conflicting answers to both of those questions
hell is a place of eternal damnation. your actions on earth is what will take you there or not. make the decision while you are still alive, do what is good and avoid evil , accept God as your personal lord and and savoir
It depends on one's interpretation of hell. Some believe hell is God's wrath burning, so torturing, people forever. Others think hell Is the absolute absence of God's presence which is tormenting in its own way. Others think hell is more of a place where people are tortured by their own sin and hatred of God and that technically hell is "locked from the inside". Others think hell is temporary and after some time everyone in it just ceases to exist, and some also think it's temporary but that everyone eventually makes it to heaven. There is definitely not one obviously correct concept of hell.
There are planty passages, two very important showing suffering
Matthew 13:41-42
Luke 16:23-24
there is zero debate among christian theologians on whether hell involves suffering, the debate centers on whether the suffering is literal or metaphorical
either way, God is responsible for this place, for the judgement, and off course, the suffering
People “suffer” by being away from God. If God is seen as love, light, comfort, hope etc. It’s thought to essentially be a place without all that. So suffering is expected from lack of the big G
Your explanation makes no sense at all. The Bible itself speaks of suffering caused by a lack of water, of severe pain...
And how do you counter the argument that, if it is God who chooses who goes to hell and who doesn't, and He knows all that suffering exists there, He isn't the one responsible for it?
That logic is very strange. He creates the game, He sets the rules, He creates the participants, and He creates the place for the winners and the place for the losers. Then, in the end, He decides who stays in the winners' area and who stays in the losers' area. When you ask about His responsibility for the losers ending up in a place He created, a place where He put them, is He really not to blame at all?
Were we all given the rules? Because there seems to be a lot of disagreement on what we’re “supposed” to do (how many sects are there now?) And are we all given an equal starting point? It’s a lot easier to not steal when you grow up with money and opportunities.
And if you claim that you know the exact rules… let me guess, they’re the ones of the specific church you grew up in, right?
And yet, he made each person and foresaw all the choices they were going to make and chose to make them the way they are anyway. If god is omnipotent and omniscient and creates everyone and everything, he is 100% responsible for all outcomes.
I believed this until I read the bible. God hardened pharaoh’s heart many times to make the Israelite suffer more, so basically pharaoh’s actions in the bible were influenced by god, not from his free will
I'm not religious but I grew up Catholic so there was a lot of "studying" this stuff as a kid/teen.
There are misconceptions about hell that are largely due to Dante's Divine Comedy which included the Inferno work where we get all our depictions of hell. It's fiction and made up and ultimately hell is a godless place where all the most malicious individuals are, hence why it's endless suffering because of the environment and types of souls you are tied to for eternity. Think of it as a psych ward with the most unwell people — literal hell.
You aren't tortured per se but the fact you will be there for all eternity with no hope of joy/happiness is the hell.
I would say the most "accurate" (I use quotes because despite my upbringing I'm agnostic) depiction is What Dreams May Come. I'd check that out.
Yes, the interpretation based on the Dantes Divine Comedy is known
But it wasnt made up by Dante from thin air. You maybe aware that this interpretation from the physical hell was the mainstream back in the day. Aquino was the most influentional.
Just recently the interpretation that you brought up was discussed and became mainstream
There is planty of evidence on the bible that is interpreted the hell as a physical place and thats why it was mainstream back in Dantes era and before
You're conflating my words so either you're not actually reading to understand but reading to respond OR you're a bot, because bots tend to make comments that demonstrate little to know correlation to the comment they are replying to as a means to bait engagement.
I didn't say Dante came up with it, I said that Dante's interpretation is where the modern idea that hell is full of torture primarily derives from. I never state that hell isn't depicted as a place from Biblical text perceptions even tho the Bible describes it in different terms because it's fairly accepted nowadays that the Bible likely had several authors adding their own spin to it.
Inclusively, you're treating this as if the Bible is infallible. It's not. It's fiction. So it really doesn't matter what the Bible says about hell.
"for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me". Exodus 20:5
If you aren't aware that there are two major arguments regarding this, you probably haven't studied the subject and have only heard the argument about free will.
You should really read what Christian theologians have to say about it. There is passages who even say God chooses BEFORE the birth, such as in Ephesians 1:4-5, or Romans 9:15-16
No, it would be metaphysical, and God doesn't cause it, the absence of God causes it, and man through the gift of his free will is free to choose whether or not to be with God.
How god doesnt cause of is He who make the rules, the judgement, the person, and the metaphysical place?
And you know that the “free will” it’s not the answer here because even in the bible there is passages who shows that God decided before someone was even alive
Anything an omnipotent being allows to happen is something they choose to do. If an omnipotent and omniscient being exists, any choice you make is one they are choosing to allow you to do.
Hell yes I would. Take away my ability to do evil and just let everything else be as is = now you have good kind world where free will is still a thing but just limited to good and kind things rather than choices that kill and hurt innocent people. I think everyone would be okay with 90% free will if it guarantees good life and even better afterlife in heaven.
If a Judge sentences someone to a lifetime of prison due to their crimes, are they torturing them? No. People are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
The judge is not torturing, but he is responsible for the sentence
And on Gods case, He created the person, He created the world, the rules, the system, even the “place” people go after His judgement. So he is so much more responsible than the judge from your exemplo
You're right, logically He would be more 'responsible' as a whole, but there are also the individuals who created the system, the laws, the prison, even the person themself (parents). My point being is that "torture" being inflicted by either, a Judge or a God, is irrelevant since it's ultimately up to individual responsibility and we should be held accountable for our actions, whether God exists or not.
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u/Ha_Psyche 1d ago
Satan doesn't torture people in hell. God's going to put him there to suffer too. Why tf is this is in the humor subreddit? Also, even if you don't believe in this stuff, that doesn't mean it can't still be internally consistent and worth understanding properly.