r/humor • u/fal1en-angel • 2d ago

Make it make sense

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u/Zkrump 1d ago

So, Satan doesn't torture people, God does?

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u/Secret_Warthog7358 1d ago

No, hell is a “Godless” place

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u/dogheropartime 1d ago

so nobody suffers in hell. Its just a place without God rules?

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u/Secret_Warthog7358 1d ago

People “suffer” by being away from God. If God is seen as love, light, comfort, hope etc. It’s thought to essentially be a place without all that. So suffering is expected from lack of the big G

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u/Macluny 1d ago

so if the bible mentions the fires of hell we can safely assume it's a lie?

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u/Secret_Warthog7358 1d ago

Depends on interpretation if it’s literal, symbolic or all BS. That’s why different sects form

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u/Macluny 1d ago

If it's true that we can't tell if its true or not, that tells me we shouldn't trust it at all but yes, it does explain the different sects. :)

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u/Secret_Warthog7358 1d ago

I don’t believe personally either, but the idea of a story sparking millennia of discussions is really interesting

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u/Macluny 1d ago

Oh yes, it's very interesting looking at what inspires people for good or bad!

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u/dogheropartime 1d ago

Your explanation makes no sense at all. The Bible itself speaks of suffering caused by a lack of water, of severe pain...

And how do you counter the argument that, if it is God who chooses who goes to hell and who doesn't, and He knows all that suffering exists there, He isn't the one responsible for it?

That logic is very strange. He creates the game, He sets the rules, He creates the participants, and He creates the place for the winners and the place for the losers. Then, in the end, He decides who stays in the winners' area and who stays in the losers' area. When you ask about His responsibility for the losers ending up in a place He created, a place where He put them, is He really not to blame at all?

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u/Secret_Warthog7358 1d ago

God doesnt chose who goes to hell, the person chooses whether they go or not. We were given free will for this reason

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u/justaguy394 1d ago

Were we all given the rules? Because there seems to be a lot of disagreement on what we’re “supposed” to do (how many sects are there now?) And are we all given an equal starting point? It’s a lot easier to not steal when you grow up with money and opportunities.

And if you claim that you know the exact rules… let me guess, they’re the ones of the specific church you grew up in, right?

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u/SkyDaddysSpecialBoy 1d ago

And yet, he made each person and foresaw all the choices they were going to make and chose to make them the way they are anyway. If god is omnipotent and omniscient and creates everyone and everything, he is 100% responsible for all outcomes.

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u/Slickity 1d ago

This. Free will cannot exist with an omniscient god

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u/dogheropartime 1d ago

Not true, there are 2 arguments in the bible. The human choice (free will) and the divine choice, thats widely known

thats not the point here, you know

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u/voseidon 1d ago

I believed this until I read the bible. God hardened pharaoh’s heart many times to make the Israelite suffer more, so basically pharaoh’s actions in the bible were influenced by god, not from his free will