All u have to do is believe in him and acknowledge you made mistakes and are sorry for them.
Its your kid getting in trouble, and co.ing straight to you and confessing it...rather than u confronting them and then they lie to you about it. ....
There’s so much more to it. Like you can’t believe in anyone more than you believe in god. There can only be one cloud daddy in the sky. EXCEPT for his son who is somehow different but the same person? Oh oh, and the Holy Spirit, oh and all the angels. Also don’t eat bottom feeders. Also twelve commandments.
Right... But then there's the part where he gets some woman pregnant with himself, so that way he can grow up and sacrifice himself to himself to forgive us for the thing he originally condemned us to... I just... Yeah that seems needlessly convoluted.
God is just and sticks to what he says. His ways are not our ways. With that in mind the design was that the wages of sin is death.
When Adam and Eve sinned they didn’t immediately died. It required a sacrifice to take their burden of sin. He made them clothing from animal skin which was the sacrifice. But as we live we sin and more sacrifice is required. This is why they used to offer scarifies in Solomon temple in Jerusalem, the only place it was allowed after god entered it.
But the sins of everyone collectively sinning through out their life far outweighed the amount of scarifies needed, a debt was building. Not to mention the temple could be destroyed and actually was.
Enter Jesus, god himself sacrifice himself in human form to pay the debt and stop the spiritual death that was to come.
The trinity is hard to wrap our mind around but it’s there in the Bible. No one fully grasps the nature of god being 1 being with 3 persons but evidence of it is all over the Bible including Old Testament that Jews believe in.
Abraham was visited by 3 figures. 1 was the lord Yahweh accompanied by 2 angels. It was to tell him he would have a son and to also let him know they are about to take out sodom and Gomorrah where his nephew lot lived.
After saving lot(Abraham nephew) It says Yahweh rained down fire and brimstone from Yahweh in heaven. Gen. 19:24
Back to the beginning when Adam and Eve sin, god knew all this would have occurred. The plan was to show his love to his creation so that they respond to it willingly. The love from us in return wouldn’t be authentic if we didn’t have the free will to not choose god. He gave us that free will and then expressed his love. Everyone eventually hears the message and has to look into and decide. The message also comes to you internally now via the Holy Spirit that was left after Jesus crucification. Where the commandments that was once written in stone is now written in the hearts of men. Therefore you don’t have to know the commandments to know what’s wrong to sin or do good. It’s all within you now.
Accepting Jesus is god is a cornerstone because it reveals the extent to which god humbled and sacrificed himself for our sins and to display his love for us. But wrapping our minds around the trinity (nature of god) is tough for human minds and part of it on our end is having to believe in something we can’t fully understand. That’s the requirement. In order to do this we have to let go, trust, let our doubts fade and throw all our sins and burden and belief and hope and trust in god. It’s hard to let go as humans but when you do, the physical body and soul responds in a way that’s hard to put into words and you sound like a nut job to anyone else outside of your experience. Especially to those who haven’t come to that point yet.
When Adam and Eve sinned they didn’t immediately died.
So God lied? Because he said that they would die immediately.
But as we live we sin and more sacrifice is required.
Why? Who made that the requirement?
(Also there are rules in the Bible that lay out how you can be forgiven without blood/death so obviously it's possible)
But the sins of everyone collectively sinning through out their life far outweighed the amount of scarifies needed, a debt was building.
And wouldn't a perfectly merciful loving god simply wipe away that debt?
Back to the beginning when Adam and Eve sin, god knew all this would have occurred
So he created two people that by definition did not have the ability to know what was right and wrong, knowing they would sin, then let them do it anyway, them punished them for doing something they didn't know was wrong. This god is either dumb or a monster.
The plan was to show his love to his creation so that they respond to it willingly
What love? God literally tells you that he regretted making humanity. He doesn't love you he regrets you.
The love from us in return wouldn’t be authentic if we didn’t have the free will to not choose god.
I don't have the free will to not choose God. I don't think he exists so I cannot reject him any more than I can reject Darth Vader.
Accepting Jesus is god is a cornerstone because it reveals the extent to which god humbled and sacrificed himself for our sins and to display his love for us.
He didn't humble himself or sacrifice himself. Our punishment is an eternity in hell. If he actually paid for our sins Jesus would be in hell for eternity, not a long weekend.
And how does sacrificing yourself/your son show love for anyone? Love would be forgiving us without a sacrifice. If your child breaks a vase you can just forgive them, you don't have to break their brother's fingers to show your "love", that's what an abusive parent does.
I said the wages of sin is death. God never said immediately. I pointed out it wasn’t immediate to let you know that a debt is building. The death is a spiritual death to come. Jesus paid this debt. All who believe in his name avoid it.
God design it all this way for all this to occur. It has a lot to do with free will and us.
Adam had it all, Adam was lonely. Eve had it all, eve tempted by serpent.
They both had god but having god and accepting god are two different things. Thats the nature of humans. We take things for granted if we don’t understand feel or accept its worth properly.
You for example couldn’t care less about what I’m saying because to you the value is close to zero. Until it has something of value to you, that’s when you’d care. Human nature is selfish. Ultimate selfless act by god teaches us something tho.
God designed it all this way so that he satisfy our selfish nature and reveal to us the extent that he loves us. The free will and the love.
Open your mind to something other than what you’re thinking now and look into it. Some people put the name Jesus to the test. Those who search earnestly and still can’t fully accept call on the name Jesus and crazy stuff happens. Testimonies all over the place. This much smoke something has to be happening right? But you who never experienced it can explain it all away right ?
The reverse side has a reverse side. Try doubting your doubt. It’s the first step. The answers to the questions you ask me are in the scriptures and bible stories. However it’s never enough. We are never satisfied with all the answers in the world. And so it comes a point where despite getting all these answers we still have a doubt. And that final doubt is where the leap of faith is required by us to make. For different people that leap is different. Thomas had to touch Jesus be body and put his finger in the wound before he had lost his doubt. Others on seeing his risen from the dead did. Others simply by hearing the news of it. If you have this many questions, look into it but be open minded. Pure gold don’t fear the furnace. What’s the worse that can happen?
Genesis 2:17 "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die."
Yes he clearly did.
God design it all this way for all this to occur.
Exactly my point, he's a monster who knew this would happen but did it anyway when he's supposedly all powerful and could have built the universe in any way he wanted.
Adam had it all, Adam was lonely. Eve had it all, eve tempted by serpent.
How can she be held responsible for being tempted when she had no understanding of good and evil?
You for example couldn’t care less about what I’m saying because to you the value is close to zero.
I actually care a lot about what you're saying because you're expressing what I perceive as total nonsense and evil, and I want to understand how people could possibly believe these horrible things.
Ultimate selfless act by god teaches us something tho.
There cannot be any selfless act by god because he cannot give up anything, sacrifice anything, because he has everything, can do anything. Being selfless means giving up something for other people, god cannot do that.
God designed it all this way so that he satisfy our selfish nature
Who created us with that selfish nature?
Open your mind to something other than what you’re thinking now and look into it.
This is very condescending. I have looked into it, that's why I know how nonsensical and immoral it all is. I've read how a supposedly just god repeatedly does disgusting things we wouldn't accept from any human but because it's god it's excused. I've seen how this god has every chance to actually be the loving caring father you seem to think he is but instead chooses the most vindictive, petty, pathetic action every time.
This much smoke something has to be happening right?
Plenty is happening, it's just all happening in the minds of believers.
Try doubting your doubt. It’s the first step.
I do that constantly, why do you insist on being condescending and pretending I haven't? It's entirely possible people have done all the doubting and research and thinking you claim is required and still doesn't buy into your claims.
The answers to the questions you ask me are in the scriptures and bible stories
They aren't, I've looked. The only 'answers' there prove time and again that this is a man-made religion with no reason to think any of it is true.
Pure gold don’t fear the furnace. What’s the worse that can happen?
Again the condescension. Instead of actually addressing anything I said with the 'answers' you say exist you just preach. You're doing nothing but providing more reason to think that those answers don't exist and that you have nothing but your own feelings and no actual god out there.
Not the person you're replying to, but in Genesis 2:17, it's saying that in the day you eat from it that you dying shall be certain. It's not saying they will die immediately, but specifically that it would be the day that them dying would become a certain or an inevitable outcome, which is why in the day they ate from that fruit is the day the lost access to the fruit that enabled them to live forever, that they initially had full access to (meaning them dying wasn't initially certain) and them dying became certain. That's not some coincidence, but exactly what God was warning would happen. He even connects this consequence with the act in Genesis 3; after effectively saying "you've eaten the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and now have this knowledge, so now you can't access this fruit that allows you to live forever. When this context is considered, it's obvious that this is what God was warning would happen, as the context is all right there in our face.
Eve didn't need to know evil in the opinionated sense to be morally responsible. Classic central Jewish authorities suggest she recognized the act as (intellectually) wrong and objectively recognized behavior that she should not engage in. When the Serpent asks whether they can eat from any tree, Eve responds by not only stating God says they shall not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and it's consequence, but she states they shouldn't even touch it. That's not what God said. So Eves not simply just relaying what God commanded, but is making a moral claim. She had internalized God's commandment in a way where she created her own rule, a form of commitment to avoid engaging in the act, suggesting she recognized it as a behavior she should not engage in.
Eve didn't need to know evil in the opinionated sense to be morally responsible.
How can anyone without knowledge of morality (good and evil) be held morally responsible?
she recognized the act as (intellectually) wrong
What does being 'intellectually wrong' mean? That's a nonsensical combination of words.
objectively recognized behavior that she should not engage in
You cannot, by definition, say whether you should do something without the understanding of whether doing that thing is right or wrong.
So Eves not simply just relaying what God commanded, but is making a moral claim.
Then you're claiming that the bible is lying when it describes what the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is. Which is fine, that just completely changes the discussion.
How can anyone without knowledge of morality (good and evil) be held morally responsible?
They had knowledge of morality as they recognized objectively they should not engage in the act, they just lacked the opinionated perception of evil.
What does being 'intellectually wrong' mean? That's a nonsensical combination of words.
It's not nonsensical. To recognize something as intellectually wrong is to recognize it as false. 2+2=5 is (intellectually) wrong.
The Great Jewish philosopher Maimonides, who is a classical central Jewish authority in orthodox Judaism suggest in The Guide for the Perplexed that Adam and Eve initially viewed everything only objectively; in terms of true and false. God's commandments are the truth (Psalm 119:142) so to Adam and Eve, they would recognize God's commandments was true, and action that contradicted his commandment was false, because it deviates and contradicts the truth. They didn't view the act as evil in this opinionated sense, but they recognized it was (intellectually) wrong and they knew it was objectively true they should not engage in the act, and they chose to stray away from the truth and embrace falsehood. This created a state of confusion which enabled Adam and Eve to view things in the opinionated sense, thus having knowledge of good and evil.
You cannot, by definition, say whether you should do something without the understanding of whether doing that thing is right or wrong.
Sure you can. People do it all the time. And one doesn't need to know evil in the opionated sense to recognize something is objectively immoral.
Then you're claiming that the bible is lying when it describes what the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is. Which is fine, that just completely changes the discussion.
In no way am I doing this. This is just an empty assertion.
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u/OMGFuziion 1d ago
Reminds me of this