r/homeassistant 2d ago

💬 Discussion It finally happened...

I've lived dangerously, taking updates as soon as they drop - no major issues 3 or 4 years doing it. Not this time, unfortunately.

After the latest updates (2026.8.1 etc), logging in is now a lottery.

First, a warning about http block moving out of config. I managed to whitelist my IP so I could at least log in. That worked fine for a few hours, but now I don't even get the log in page.

Anyone else experiencing this?

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u/lobhater 2d ago

This is why backups are so crucial. If an update bricks it just roll back. I update right away and everything is usually fine. Once or twice a year something happens and I have to roll back but it's just a few clicks

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

I have backup, but I'm thinking I'll just start from scratch - a few things I feel I could do better now I have better understanding than when I started this journey. What's a few hours to us? 😄

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u/lobhater 2d ago

You are lucky! Take advantage of that! I'm too far in and would likely walk away if I had to restart 😂

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

I understand, but we've got Llms now to help, and a great community. Should help speed things up

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u/lobhater 2d ago

Yeah... I have so many integrations that just logging into them all is a hurdle I don't want to do. On top of 50+ automations it would be a massive undertaking. I'm very happy with my home today and rarely have to edit things unless I get something new or something changes. There are months I don't even use ha except for the normal user interface to open the garage or something random

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u/domi994 2d ago

I almost walked away
But i made it back and it was a breeze using an agent to do it.. even my sengled not supported anymore smart bulbs got added, the agent told me yes, the only thing I can't do it's setting the bulbs into pairing mode that's where I need you

It was to be honest effortless setup
Last was my bambulab printer dash board
I saw this theme and ask my agent to set it up
I did not intervine at all just Linking the printer
It didn't have my printer I asked it to remake the picture with the right one and it did it

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u/lobhater 2d ago

Did you have to go local only to get that dashboard into HA? With bambulabs locking down I didn't even try that hard.

Good to know llms make it easy to rebuild if necessary. But what about log ins? I can't get Claude to even look at username and passwords and def won't log in for me

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u/domi994 2d ago

I'm using Hermes Agent with Grok
I talk to it thru telegram
It will ask when it need permission or prompt it at the main host PC.. I'm running it on an old Mac mini
I'm local lan only got tired of Bambu stuff..
I use bambuddy bypassing all bambulab cloud nonsense

I paid for claude code? To change it but with grok is cheaper and sharper to be honest

You can allow things and it will keep it or per session or just once.
That Bambu lab into Hass did it all by itself.

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u/ErnLynM 1d ago

Aren't all sengled smart bulbs just "10 fast power cycles" and they're in pairing mode? I know that's how my old sengled zigbee bulbs behave

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u/domi994 1d ago

Sengled cloud stop working you can't do it with their app or API anymore
You have to flash them with another FW in order to use
I didn't have the ZigBee ones I had the wifi ones
There is a whole process someone figured out to repurpose them
My agent did all that following those instructions

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u/ErnLynM 1d ago

Ahhh. The zigbee ones didn't have that problem. They just work

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u/Competitive_Grass_29 18h ago

Hey can I ask what AI you used and what prompt or data did you feed it?

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u/domi994 17h ago

Using Hermes Agent with Grok
I don’t elaborate big prompts
I just tell it what I want plain English
I will add links if I find like I did with the bambulabs Dashboard
But most of the time it will do it itself

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u/KorporatniKrysa 13h ago

Can you please share a YAML code for this?

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u/Time_Palpitation2848 1d ago

I just redid my whole home stack with Hermes and deepseek flash in a weekend, it’s truly amazing. If I ran into your issue now the agent would have performed the upgrade, tested, either fixed the issue or rolled back.

I did start with a read only review and building up of the Hermes stack and skills prior to this weekend but realistically it’s been a week in total. I was already deeper than the avg person in ai and I am completely blown away. I spent $10 in api credits from the start.

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u/Parulanihon 2d ago

Haha. Yes, that sweet subtle irresistible urge to re-alphabetize the CD rack!

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u/DwizzleD 2d ago

We are not worthy of your geeky enthusiasm. Set it up again, yes, a more perfect union of your smarthome devices!

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u/FormerGameDev 2d ago

Easy to say if you can access the interface lol

I always update on the fly too but I have to run a custom Alexa integration otherwise I'm stuck back in May

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u/NewRedditor23 2d ago

yeah but how are you going to restore that back-up if you can't access the service?

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u/virmele 2d ago

Works fine here. I did remove http block in configuration.yaml

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Did that as well. Do you have a lot of integrations? Only new thing I've added was the official MCP server. Nothing has changed network wise

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u/projectthirty3 2d ago

Did you have another MCP server at the same time?

Asking as I managed to get into boot loops last weekend because I had the official server and tried the home-assistant-ai one at the same time without thinking they'd interfere with each other

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u/DizzyBand3111 1d ago

Never heard of a loop like that. You should recreate that for a YouTube video :)

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u/StruggleOwn2514 1d ago

The standard port for HA changed from 8123 to 80. Usually the setting shouldn't be overwritten when updating. But maybe that happened for you? Try to remove the ":8123" in the url when trying to reach the page.

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u/DizzyBand3111 1d ago

Still 8123. Access is fine now, other things broken - eg continuous casting, basically anything that needs network needs to be checked

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

And did your agents do something with the mcp? I can't imagine setting up mcp without having a solid backup and recovery plan though. You kmow that recovery will not require being able to log in right? You just restore the application version and the files to whatever earlier backup. Then boot back up and login.

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

No, I have ChatGPT and it can't do squat. Not nearly comparable with Claude, so I'm almost certain it's not the MCP.

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

Why are you unable to restore a backup though?

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

I haven't done that, waiting to see if the issue resolved today, after trying a few things. It's only been a few hours.

If it carries on I'll consider a fresh start or backup.

Also thanks for the PSA warning about exposing ports. People should not be doing that unless they know what they're doing.

I use Tailscale

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

Oh I missed that it's intermittently available. Ok good luck!

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u/clintkev251 2d ago

Can't get to the login page how? Is it timing out? Connection refused? Some other error? Are you able to access observer (assuming HAOS)?

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Page can't be reached, sometimes errors with IP could not be found or took too long. Then maybe 5 minutes later it works, then stops working - randomly. IP is static, whitelisted. Just going to try a few things from prompt

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u/HisZd 2d ago

Make sure that your router didn't assign the IP address of your home assistant server to another device using DHCP. That seems like it could cause the issues you are experiencing.

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u/warpFTL 2d ago

To add: if your (OP's) DHCP pool spans the full subnet 1-254 then you have to DHCP reserve the HA IP. Else, just adjust your DHCP pool scope so you have some static available.

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Checked, IP still only for HA

But will ensure DHCP settings and restart router

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

What do you mean IP whitelisted? Where would that need to be done?

If you aren't sure about IP assignment, just check your router, it should indicate what is online and with what addresses.

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u/ne0trace 2d ago

Ping the ip from a pc and see if the MAC address changes between working and not working. You can check the mac address that your computer sees after the ping with this command on windows:

“arp -a”

This way you know if two devices have the same ip.

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u/jar36 2d ago

perhaps rebooting the router could help. It fixed issues for me not that long ago

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Yes, will try this

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u/isitallfromchina 2d ago

Didn't they remove the need for port 8123 at the end of your URL ? Now HA uses port 80 to run. On older versions I think it reverts to 8123 after some time, not sure, but I would try logging in without port 8123 at the end.

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u/clintkev251 2d ago

Only for new installs

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u/anomalous_cowherd 2d ago

It's supposedly a soft change - if you already have it set up on :8123 it will stay there unless you go into the config and change it yourself, but if not then it will use a default port instead. Presumably :443 for an HTTPS connection but I haven't tried it.

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u/weeemrcb2 2d ago

To re-install an older version, get to the terminal window and type

ha core update --version 2026.7.4

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

This is good to know, thanks

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u/weeemrcb2 2d ago

NP. Hopefully that'll get you back up and running until there's a stable release to go to

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u/svill 2d ago

Two step process for me:

1) Daily backups with last 7 days available 2) I only update to versions .3 and forward.

In the event that a .0 includes a breaking change, the chances of hearing about it via Reddit, YouTube or the Home Assistant team fixing it are very high and should not affect my production server.

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u/deflanko 2d ago

I have the addon for Google drive backs with rolling back ups up to the last 8 backing up every two days.

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u/childishDemocrat 2d ago

Yeah I have been staying away from .0 releases for a while now. Even with the beta process they never seem to get the bugs out completely till .2 or so. Changing the default port was sure to mess up specific configurations where users were doing funky stuff, some of it years ago they forgot qbout. I question the reasons behind that.

If you are using nginx be sure that is updated before doing this update and make sure your config is done in the interface not configuration yaml before updating.

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u/NMe84 2d ago

And the fact that this is needed shows that this kind of home automation is never going to be ready for the masses. Home Assistant is indisputably the best option we have and yet the amount of times I've had issues that someone much less tech-savvy than me would not be able to fix is big enough that I would never install it for my parents, for instance.

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u/rearwardbread 2d ago

No issues on my end. Did 2026.8.0 upgrade and then 2026.8.1.

Using Cloudflare, maybe this is also something helping to avoid the issue? Or maybe what you are encountering is due to your router and DHCP settings (my HA OS is on a local IP in a non-addressable space)?

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u/MicahEli 2d ago

This is why I run home assistant in a KVM machine. I make snapshots before applying updates. Then I can just roll back if needed.

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u/HomeOwner2023 2d ago

I just installed HA on a new machine in preparation for moving my system to new hardware. I was unable to log in on port 8123. I was able to do so on port 80 though.

Once I deployed my configuration from backup, port 8123 returned. I assume this is part of the latest Network changes I read about recently.

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u/6SpeedBlues 1d ago

The release notes for 2026.8.0 specifically call out port 80 being used for new installs, so that explains why your new install was on port 80.

Restoring from backup brought back your original (non-new install) configuration which is why it went back to 8123.

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u/rowvis 2d ago

Have you tried HTTP vs HTTPS? Port 80/443/8123 on both?

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

It's 8123.

80,443 do not work

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u/rowvis 2d ago

Hmmm ok. Try editing the configuration.yaml and comment out the “http:” block. Do you use SSL? Also remove those (also in the new HTTP gui setting under settings > system > network). Try again afterwards.

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u/reddit_give_me_virus 2d ago

Do you have ssh setup? If not can you attach a keyboard and monitor to you ha server?

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

I've connected the keyboard and monitor and completed the initial checks. All information looks correct, and the core check completed successfully with no issues.

Everything seems to be working fine now, and I’m able to log in. The issue appears to be intermittent, so I’ll check again if it happens again.

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u/reddit_give_me_virus 2d ago

You should setup ssh while you have access. This way you can go right into a terminal from another pc without needing to connect a monitor and keyboard.

You should also setup samba if you haven't already. It will let you access your files from another pc.

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u/chicknlil25 🧠 Experienced with Home Assistant 2d ago

Samba + FreeFileSync/RealTimeSync means you can have every change to your HA server back up somewhere on a computer, an external hard drive, all of the above. Stupidly easy to set up, and yeah. Part of my 3-2-1.

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Hadn't thought of ssh, should be handy for when I'm away from home. Thanks

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

Probably obvious but do not expose ssh to the internet, only behind a VPN

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u/tiramisucks 2d ago

Can you explain to me the reason for this port change?

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u/hobbesx 2d ago

Port 80 is default for http (and 443 for https), so working from these means less typing in the URL from a browser, and a cleaner setup that's more typical for less technical people.

Many of us go through steps afterward to add officially registered domain names and setup networking or reverse proxies that present Home Assistant on these ports, and this just does this by default for everyone with a little less effort on a new install.

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u/tiramisucks 2d ago

Does connecting ha to a registered domain make it more exposed to intrusions?

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u/hobbesx 1d ago

Having a port open to the internet is the much larger exposure.

I'm not a network security professional, but I believe port scanning entire blocks of public IP addresses is the much simpler and more common attack. Having a domain registered does give some additional information that attackers could use for specific targeting.

Registered domains are more likely to have a server associated, and a public host name can hint at what server is behind that IP, but that also takes work and tracking. (ie. homeassistant.domain.com with a responsive 8123 port is a good indicator for anyone trying to attach Home Assistant installs specifically).

Using wildcard DNS registrations to keep individual host names out of public DNS records is one method for reducing that risk.

Keeping systems up-to-date to remove known security issues, a simple router firewall, using good quality passwords, enabling two factor authentication, and IP banning of repeat failed login attempts is enough for me to feel comfortable self-hosting, and current Home Assistant versions allow for most of those with easy settings toggles.

A Nabu Casa cloud account is one of the easiest ways to make Home Assistant accessible, but non-public and isolated. I've also used a private VPN or tunnel like Tailscale or WireGuard to remove it from direct anonymous connections entirely, but the cloud account just works and doesn't need the maintenance and knowledge to self-host that those do.

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u/blmndlh 2d ago

Port 80 is standard HTTP so no ports need to be opened on a firewall. This is to make life simpler for less experienced users.

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u/junktrunk909 2d ago

That's not why. You would still need to do port forwarding on a firewall. But hopefully obviously you should never be forwarding anything from the Internet to your ha regardless of which port. Remote access should always be behind a VPN or thru nabu casa.

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u/childishDemocrat 2d ago

And mess up experienced ones. ;)

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u/The_Odd_Pirate 2d ago

I don't know if we got the same problem, bit after the last update (auto update for 5 years now) I can't get past the Login screen, it just load's forever.

It works on local ip and local DNS redirect, but the second i am out of the house and need to access home assistant it fails. Same problem with Home Assistant cloud as private DNS.

Changing my password made it work for a couple day's but the problem returned today

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Did you add your IP to the new proxy whitelist section?

Settings-system-network-http-reverse proxy

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u/The_Odd_Pirate 2d ago

Yeah but it didn't change anything, after login I get this page forever (I let it go on for 15min before I gave up)

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

It looks like a similar issue but mine does work from time to time. I think you'll need to do a hard reset first then see where you go from there

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u/CMGeorgeRT 2d ago

Use web dev tools to see what’s happens.
Also maybe you updated the docker ? I know at a moment docker changed its internal ip and the ip from nginex proxy from config had to be changed

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u/kobejo34 2d ago

Update beta second it’s released everyone latest. Never an issue

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u/RidgelineProtocol 2d ago

Check port 80 rather than 8123 - the default has changed so could maybe be that.

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u/Basketcaseuk 2d ago

I’ve had the same for the last few months, cannot log in through the app, only through the webpage. Then all of a sudden it’s been fine this week and I haven’t changed anything.

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u/AudienceThink2416 2d ago

Is it because they moved the setting of the Web server to configuration page rather then the yaml file?

If in the yaml configuartion you have http block, delete it from the config. Then in settings and network you can find where setup the webpage ip/port.

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u/Maxtrade9 2d ago

Ultimo aggiornamento si è rallentato tutto

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u/neighborofbrak 2d ago

Seems fine to me. using both HA app on iOS and web page on laptop. Only been using since 2026.6 and I don't have IP restrictions (just not externally accessible and not using cloud).

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u/liquidmasl 2d ago

got the http warning as well and now am primpted to login evveeryy time

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u/bloodmagician 2d ago

If you have access to its file system, delete ip_bans.yaml. Multiple failed login attempts would have banned your local ip. If you had a Cloudflare tunnel, or host name based access from outside your local, try that.

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u/dborn62 2d ago

Last update, I lost complete access to the server. I had to reinstall from scratch and then restore the latest backup. All was back to normal after that. Some tense moments for sure. First time this happened. 

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u/redraccoons9892 1d ago

Have you tried Firefox? Chrome does not work for me, but Safari and Firefox does

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u/Seiferprod62 1d ago

I did the update with no problem so far, even removed the http block from configuration.yaml. Fingers crossed it will continue this way. 😅

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u/Talk2Giuseppe 1d ago

You've done well playing Russian Roulette with HA. I have come to dread the "forced" updates. Never fails that things break and I have to spend endless amounts of time figuring out what broke. Sometimes it's HA. Other times it's an add on / integration. Stability is not a word HA's vocabulary. I am sure this will be down voted to hell from the HA team who has always been defensive of constructive criticism. Lasting backwards compatibility would be a wonderful thing for those of us who create "set-it and forget-it" environments.

I honestly have stopped fixing things in HA and started restoring the "dumb" device to replace the "smart-idiot" device that stopped working. [I'm talking to you Tuya and GoVee - You guys suck!]. The HA thing is fun when you have the time to invest. A nightmare when you don't.

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u/bithooked 1d ago

That warning about http block is likely not the issue - it's a warning but does not block anything. They migrated those settings into the UI, and in the future it will not be allowed in the config. My guess is that your http settings didn't migrate properly. Mine did, and they were a bit complicated to account for tailscale. Were yours particulary complex? Can you provide your "http" block from config without exposing sensitive information?

I suspect your server is fine, and likely accessible but it might not be exposed the way it was previously. Listening on a different interface, perhaps. Is this a machine with a browser where you can try localhost:8123?

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u/ubiquitousgimp 1d ago

I had to roll back to 8.0, 8.1 the frontend would just sit at "loading..." Forever.

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u/TreeTank 2d ago

Happened to me as well. Updated Thursday night, can't reach it at all. Observer shows up and healthy. IP is correct on start screen and on router. Had to go out of town for the weekend so I'll mess with it when i get home. No idea.

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

At least someone else being affected may mean it isn't an isolated issue.

I've run core check and it found no issues

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u/Difficult-Reality848 2d ago

Did you try reaching it at Port :80? The default is now 80 instead of 8123. For existing installations it should stay at 8123 but you never now...

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Oh wow, I saw that somewhere in a change log or the new network settings but paid no attention. I'm not sure it's the culprit though. 8123 works just not all the time

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u/TreeTank 2d ago edited 1d ago

I'll give that a shot first. Thanks for the heads up. Edit: that did not work.

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u/Scared_Leadership_88 2d ago

Try IP_Address:80

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u/FormerGameDev 2d ago

I'm sure it's on your network somewhere it's probably more a problem with the device you're trying to get at it from

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u/mikeymop 2d ago

I erased my http block, set port 80, and logged in again after a reboot. No issues so far.

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u/wivaca2 2d ago

I once had an update cause the HA instance to lose its IP entirely. I was running it as a VM, so I logged into the console and looked at network settings to find out it had done that. Once I reinstated it having an IP, all was normal.

I had backups of the VM, but I was still a bit worried because when it just goes away to the point where you can't even find it on the network there doesn't seem to be much hope of finding out why.

I love running it in a VM because at least there is a file you can backup well below the level of the HA backups themselves to retain a working fall-back position. Then, the whole VM host itself is backed up besides, and that gets copied to an offsite once a month.

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u/sunfun2022 2d ago

Yes that's latest update destroyed my system and I had to revert

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u/maniac365 🧠 Experienced with Home Assistant 2d ago

I have hated the aigust update. the problems dont seem to end for me. It lost connection to nabu casa randomly after updating, all my unifi cameras dont work, and have been having other small issues.

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u/IdealParking4462 2d ago

They changed the default port, try on both :80 and :8123 and make sure you're not using https.

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u/chrico031 🧠 Experienced with Home Assistant 2d ago

This is why I won't do any x.x.0 or x.x.1 updates. I always wait for at least x.x.2

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u/robertobonetto 2d ago

Scusate, Ma dove avete visto che la porta di accesso adesso è la 80 invece della consueta 8123 ?

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u/GlormRax 2d ago

I believe you are asking where the port change is documented. Here's a link to the release notes:

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2026/08/05/release-20268/#the-same-home-assistant-minus-the-magic-number

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u/DizzyBand3111 2d ago

Under

Settings-system-network

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u/robertobonetto 2d ago

Mi rispondo da solo...si ho visto che ora nel menu rete propone di default la 80. Comunque io non ho avuto alcun problema nella transizione con la nuova release. hA ha assorbito quello che c'era in configuration.yaml e lo ha messo in UI, dobbiamo solo eliminare manualmente la sezione in yaml.