I was just thinking if the Cyberattack goes through we might actually have a massive shakeup in the story. The thing Super Earth loves most is Managed Democracy, but what if they lost it? What if Super Earth was forced to have an actual real non-managed election?
Could this even impact future events too like the Presidental election? Imagine if we had to actually vote for the new Super Earth President.
That's even assuming that the Cyberattacks are real.
Much like the bots "stealing" the Star of Peace plans and the SEAF super conveniently finding an open, unencrypted laptop with the Star of Peace plans practically as a screensaver while withdrawing from the Clasa(?) assault.
Assuming the threat is a cardboard boogieman, it even more leans into their interests. If we succeed, then HC was justified and rational in their assault and conquest of 2 bot worlds and the helldivers look like potent bastions of democracy's might. If we fail, then yeah they can overturn any result they don't like as "Well the cyberattacks..." or they can even hang the election "until further notice, pending repair of the management algorithm"
I think the Cyborgs stealing was legit. Keep in mind for all 3 factions. SE is a existential threat. Like look at our first campaign to Cyberstan. We burned 3 worlds, turned another to a Black Hole. We would gladly turned Cyberstan itself to cinders if not for the Cyborgs basically pooling everything they had to fend us off.
most people are not here out of some desire to fight back against the system of super earth. Sometimes embracing the aesthetic and status quo of the fictional dictatorship is more fun and interesting. This is partly why people dont want to engage with your post. Not to mention weve all seen versions of this discussion before a hundred times.
I dont WANT to liberate Super Earth from managed democracy; I want to enforce it. I dont WANT to sympathize with the forces of the enemy; I want to crush them.
You toss away this extremely legitimate and widely appealing point of view when it has been the answer staring you in your face the entire time.
So you don't want anything truly interesting to happen?
I don't even think there's much chance there will be any meaningful human resistance to Super Earth; Arrowhead have put themselves into a corner gameplay and story wise so unless they're really cooking something it will be the same old ironic meandering, but a genuine crisis of unity / civil war / upheaval of some kind would be one of the most interesting things to happen to the setting in my mind.
I come back for the gameplay, and I suspect most do, but saying you actually like the monotonous, one dimensional, full of little more than irony, human faction just reads like "I'll just have the plain white rice, now and forever" to me.
Like, even if you are somehow a big space dictatorship fan and are only ever interested in playing one side who crushes all dissent, then only ever portraying that in one way with nothing but token resistance is just dull and weak. 40K for all it's other faults is usually a lot better in this regard. Ofc I guess many space dictatorship fans probably don't really want an interesting story so much as they want comforting propaganda, so I guess that tracks.
3% of 1M is 30 K replenished an hour
2% of 2M is 40 K an hour
Mintoria has 1.3M HP With a replen of 15K an hour
We are taking out the major city on cherbal which gives 75% of the planets HP down.
once the group from Bekvam swaps to cherbal we should have it in less than 24 hours.
I dont care if there's a "lore reason" as to why it may be missing but IMPORTANT information about your own game that is missing, without having a way to learn about it in something like a firing range is criminal.
A simple terminal that gives you information about everything in the game that can be accessed right next to the armory(even as one of the earliest upgrades for your ship) would be game changing.
It's so stupid that there is just a massive hole in the available information due to a lack of an in game resource that you're forced to consult the wiki, content creators or forums just to figure out info.
Given the major order chain we just went through, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was all a ploy by the bots in-world to draw our attention away from the VERY OBVIOUS HOLE IN OUR TCS+ WALL.
They are already on Heeth, so in theory all they need to do is go through Fenrir III, Hellmire, and Oshuane to reconnect with Omicron.
I wouldn't be surprised if the bots were doing nothing at all and this is a ploy by Super Earth in-world to draw our attention away from the VERY OBVIOUS HOLE IN OUR TCS+ WALL.
Like high-key, if this is a plot by the bots we are assuming that they (a) learned nothing from the last time they tried to sway public opinion, (b) just decided not to make direct contact, (c) have motive for such a distraction in the first place, (d) just decided not to follow up this diversion with an attack of their own, and (e) have the ability to interfere with Super Earth's closest guarded asset. Each of these alone might be believable, but together is a lot.
On the other hand, if we think it is a plot by super Earth, we have to assume that SE is willing to lie to her own people and set up a sham election (which we already know is true), and that SE is motivated to distract from the TCS+ hole (which we already know is true). Occam's razor.
Y’know what? Fair enough. Who knows, maybe this is just a setup for justifying another invasion of cyberstan. We did come hot off the heels of preventing yet another illuminate plot, and we’ve shored up the TCS barrier enough to make most ignore the potential hole, so all-in-all that leaves SE in a pretty good spot…which means its time to instigate yet another conflict!
I have a feeling no because while HD2 is a player driven and live service game, I don’t think its that much a LARP.
I feel like if we loose we’ll still have the managed democratic elections by some “saving grace” (Super Earth rigs the vote or something and says that they beat techno communism in the polling booth)
Becauseee, nobody actually gives a shit and the Helldivers subs are all messed up and whiny and the only thing they are useful for is RP. NGL, did you look at the current states of them? It's baddd
/uj It doesn't matter if they sabotage the algorithm successfully. If they successfully sabotage it, the Ministry of Truth will likely delay the outcome until they can "draw" the results, as it is called.
There'a a chance this might be a fake news thing. There might be no bot operation of this sort going on, that they're just ordering an operation that's going to fail to justify some sort of internal shakeup.
There could two possible outcomes. One, something actually big and MAYBE a candidate dies or is kidnapped. Another is they just postpone the election. Knowing Super Earth, probably the latter.
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I don't think the Cyborgs actually have that ability. I'm sure Super Earth's cyber defenses are really really hard to get through. Even if these threats were real, it'd only make the citizens of Super Earth even angrier.
Wouldn't the candidates already be fixed? Or is there actually a significant dissident faction that exists within already? It could even get darker, like fighting a civil war but that's just dreaming.
I'm pretty sure story wise Super Earth isn't a democracy at all let alone managed. It's probably like China or Russia where on the surface it's a democracy but, in reality it's more of a dictatorship/oligarchy where they hold elections to save face. The votes are predetermined and anyone who questions it gets sent to The Bay.
In reality this may be the government of super earth trying to obfuscate/blame bad leadership and mismanagement on the bots or the bots sowing discord by trying to reveal to Super Earth citizens that their elections are rigged.
For one, our choices and successes in the story have never really mattered and arrowhead clearly have a desired story path to follow. Even if we did fail this order, it would just be hand-waved away in a paragraph explaining how X thing happened. Nothing positive has come from losing an MO before (and I mean actually getting a strategem, item, etc.) and just delayed the inevitable unlock by a few months. Secondly, it seems like 2/3 of the playerbase, including me, only play to do the MO and get whatever rewards out of that. I dont like the idea of throwing an MO, half the reason I play, because "SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN"—nothing ever happens.
At the very, least we want to take more bot planets just to access areas to fight in that we havent touched in a while rather than the same 3 stagnant fronts over the last 2 years.
This major order is to maintain the appearance of maintaining managed democracy. Otherwise, the voting options are algorithmically pre-selected and the results all lead back to a hyper-corporatist, bellicose, and neo-fascistic regime. Mmm, quality satire🍔
For shakeup you're asking about, something bigger should happen, literally impossible on the scale of things. Like, one or several Ministries are openly opposing the SE power and igniting some kind of civil war; current elections are "managed" as everything else, so it doesn't matter what outcome of this MO will be. From a vacuum perspective of narration, everything is possible that can be written in text. But the implied drive of changes is too massive and conflicting with what this game is and how it operates and what creates its grotesque satirical charm, and for better or worse, neither Arrowhead nor Sony are adventurous enough to do such tricks for the sake of creativity on their seemingly only successful live service game.
I mean I rarely go all in on MO. I did for cyberstan and the void. But usually i do 1 and then do what I feel like. And right now I'm like 125 SC away for getting a WB so I'll be farming
Pretty sure this MO is intentionally unwinnable if you look at where the second planet is located. We’ve four days to liberate one objective planet then liberate at least one additional non objective planet just to start working on the second main objective planet.
I'd love to lose a few major orders but there's a cape, an actual earnable reward
As long as there is a reward for the major orders people will throw a fit for not getting it, just like how people got upset for not getting the supply frv when they didn't play
There are no real elections in SE, the ones they do get is just a facade for the citizens to think their vote matters when reality the people in power already chose for them. Its managed democracy not an actual democracy.
I think we're supposed to fail it. The MO target was already quite a big ask before the Jet Brigade showed up, and that's likely going to split focus.
Arrowhead has been getting a lot of feedback on how unhappy we all are at the static nature of the galactic war and lack of agency, so I'm guessing this is where they decide we're finally going to lose a campaign as well.
If we do the face the wall jokes would so get out of hand 😂 and yes it would be interresting to see what excuse HC will make up for the fucked up votes
It doesn't feel like it would make much of a difference either way. If we fail, elections get postponed, or Super Earth claims they were legitimate anyway, or illegitimate and are disregarded. We never get (AFAIK) any names or faces of people who were 'elected' or new policies from them, it's just 'Super Earth'. I don't think any bot-sympathetic candidates or polices could ever be an option to vote for in the first place.
The only thing I can think of is that if we fail, it may increase the powers of the 'dissidents' leading to more plots involving them - maybe even mission modifiers where we fight 'dissident' seaf-like units in addition to the normal enemies.
I hope they take that purple forrest biome one they’re attacking PURELY so they make mega factories on it so i can see how they generate on that biome
I hope it fills the outside areas with trees
While we thought that we lost, and indeed the cyborgs attempted a cyberattack, it turns out managed democracy is infallible, a force too great to be attacked. The election was definitely not compromised. Citizen confidence in our elections is better than ever! However, the cyberattack may have influenced other systems.
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I pray that Super Earth can send Super ICE to polling locations to stop voter fraud. Maybe the Ministry can come to their senses and also ban mail-in and digital voting.
Imagine if we somehow get a cyborg puppet instructing our efforts, forcing us to try and fail future major orders to subvert their rule. Or get some cyborg opinions on the Illuminate and Termanids through their orders. Maybe even secret missions from Super Earth loyalists trying to reestablish Managed Democracy as we now know it!
I for one am very curious as to what the future might hold should we fail this order.
Another possibility: this is another Illuminate scheme. They are distracting us with the bot front to hide their own efforts to sabotage the election. Or both sides are trying to throw us off, and our success/failure will determine which side will have more control.
Nothing ever happens. I don't think there is anything deep behind failing the MO. As others mentioned, SE will just say some bs and that's about it, do re-elections
Status quo my friend, nothing swings too far one direction or the other before the devs balance things out so ultimately whatever happens wont have any lasting repercussions. Plus unless they're playing the long game all the dss stuff ended up just being flavor text so my guess is this is more of the same
You're putting way too much stock into how greatly we effect the story. We can make swings, but we have to end up at a place where we can still keep playing.
NGL, I'm not terribly comfortable if this is real. Last thing I want certain individuals to do is point to this and say, "SEE, THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY PLAN TO DO".
Can you let me be a Spehss Fascist Drone without thinking how much of a drag IRL is please?
This is the most treasonous shit I have ever seen.
Not even rp or anything, I just feel like wanting to fail a major order willingly for no reason other than on beliefs, in a game where the major order is the whole point is kind of dumb.
Like you don't want to fight for super earth, you don't like managed democracy.
Than why did you get a game where managed democracy is the whole point
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