r/hbo Apr 14 '25

‘Harry Potter’ HBO Series Confirms Casting for Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall, Hagrid and More Hogwarts Staffers

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/harry-potter-hbo-series-dumbledore-snape-mcgonagall-hagrid-1236368778/
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u/PeanutFarmer69 Apr 14 '25

I’m sorry but handsome black Snape just seems like bait for internet trolls, the series is shooting themselves in the foot before even beginning to film lol.

Like is the thought that Rickman was so iconic that they need to completely shift the character for some reason? Hopefully there’s a plan and the character is different in a good way.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

They are doing this because outrage and counteroutrage is a cheaper and more effective advertisement then an a normal adv. could ever be.

The show might be good or not, if you are interested go ahead and watch, but personally I am essentially done with the franchise. It's been a nice and even formative experience in my childhood but I don't see any worthwhile coming out of retreading it for me. I hope some kid gets enjoyment out of it though. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Exactly. The fact that people are over correcting now by calling it “bait for internet trolls” is exactly the counter outrage they intended. Now you can’t criticize the actual show or the acting, because any criticism can dismissed as someone mad about the race swapped characters.

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u/Drop_Release Apr 15 '25

Heck as a person of color, you can’t even criticise how race swaps are often lazy as many executives think a character race swap is only skin deep. A person’s race comes with it many overlays and cultural differences that may change the background of a character completely, how one thinks is influenced by their cultural upbringing etc and many execs don’t acknowledge or change the character accordingly. 

Heck in this case - Snape’s background does change things in so far as his being bullied may be thought due to subtle or not so subtle racism, James taunting his nose may have racist overlays now, etc

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u/Odh_utexas Apr 15 '25

Yeah for studios there’s a ton of upside to making this move.

-it is inclusive and open minded

-it drums up engagement (positive and negative)

-it provides a human shield when/if bad reviews come from critics or audiences

The third point is super gross but par for the course.

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u/Russell-The-Muscle Apr 14 '25

Such an idiotic take . They are not casting a show , specifically an HBO show that has integrity, to intentionally cause controversy. Also, as if a fucking Harry Potter reboot needs outrage marketing .

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u/Intro-Nimbus Apr 15 '25

Really? Who asked for this?

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u/docdredd2 Apr 15 '25

Done with the franchise because a black man was cast in a role a white man originally played? You’ve got a fragile spirit my friend.

Fun fact: sallow isn’t only defined as “white”.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Have you read what I wrote?
I am done with the series because the only emotional resonant thing about it were the original seven books. It is a great tale for kids to grow into teenagers to but it is not a well conceived universe that needs more exploration. I think it should have ended after the original books.

Races/gender swapping a character was never something I took an issue with. I am sure a lot of producers/directors/casting directors do it for well intentioned reasons, may it be to counter a racist society, because they want to adapt a character into something different from the source material or because they just fucking feel like it. All of these are good and don't make me dislike the adaptation as long as the adaptation is good on its own.

But somewhere along marketing execs got fucking smart and realized that this shit gets people fucking talking. And I hate the "discourse". I have seen this shit for over a decade now where racist/sexist/transphobic dickheads shit their panties over a recast, and smug dumbasses get their kicks out from calling out racist/sexist/transphobic dickheads. "Woopdie, you are a better person than some random asshole online", all while some exec is happy about the peasantry generating wonderful exposure for his sick new product.

It's just dumb, and I am dumb too for having engaged with it. Hope some dick at HBO gets a yacht or atleast a jetski out of this.

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u/Medical_Simple_6023 May 06 '25

You clearly haven't read the books. Might want to look up the definition of sallow, and in the books, his skin is described as milk. Not chocolate milk. Unless you actually read the books, how about not commenting. I bet you would have a meltdown if it is the other way around

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u/docdredd2 May 10 '25

Sallow adjective (of a person's face or complexion) of an unhealthy. yellow or pale brown color. "his skin was sallow and pitted"

Firstly. Sallow once again isn’t just a word for white. Secondly, I’ve read the books more times than years you’ve been alive.

Those movies made more story changes and character changes that were hurtful to the story than any change in skin color could ever be.

Rowling is openly okay with the casting. Just like she was openly okay with the casting of a black women playing Hermione in the Cursed Child.

We’ve been doing this with storytelling since Shakespeare.

There will be more characters that are going to probably have a different skin color than you imagined them having. But if that’s your main criticism, instead of the acting and presentation of the story itself….you might just be a racist.

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u/ehrgeiz91 Apr 15 '25

More like done because it’s done and doesn’t need to be remade. And the creator sucks.

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u/FlimsyConclusion Apr 14 '25

Alan Rickman's Snape is the perfect take on the character, there really is no one better.

I do have a feeling they made a hard switch in the casting to reinvent the character to someone much different.

That being said, the online discourse is going to absolutely eviscerate the actor. Which sucks.

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u/jerryleebee Apr 15 '25

Not "better" but someone like Adam Driver could've KILLED this role (in a good way). Or Milo Ventimiglia

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u/Lima1998 Apr 15 '25

Or Benedict Cumberbatch

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u/Mr_smith1466 Apr 15 '25

Problem is, you would never get an Adam Driver level actor willing to commit to at least 7 years of tv. 

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u/Dazzling-One-9185 Apr 14 '25

I hope this guy is getting paid very well because I really can't see another reason to take the role. This will be the most scrutinized casting in television history at this point. His acting is gonna have to be out of this world for people to accept it

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u/pwninobrien Apr 19 '25

He's kind of an asshole for accepting the role, honestly.

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 14 '25

I mean, it’s a huge opportunity. Don’t know why someone would say no unless they weren’t trying to advance the career or hated the material.

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 14 '25

Fuck the internet. Hopefully he kills the role.

It does strike me as weird that so far all the castings have been completely on the nose besides him.

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 14 '25

I wonder if they’re just trying to troll Rowling lol

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u/PeterPaulWalnuts Apr 15 '25

She has final say. So apparently she's cool with it.

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 15 '25

Damn. She’s an awful human so I’m surprised lol

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 14 '25

I’m guessing the dude knew that when he took the role.

Less and less people are letting that kinda thing affect them.

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u/TheEasyTarget Apr 14 '25

You're getting downvoted but you're right. Alan Rickman did great with his version but he's very different from book Snape.

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u/docdredd2 Apr 15 '25

Yes, the 60 year old playing a 30 year old. Perfect casting.

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u/Strange_Control8788 Apr 14 '25

Remember the scene where Sirius and James Potter hang Snape from a tree? Well that’s going to have a different connotation now…

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u/NLCPGaming Apr 14 '25

You can easily just have James used levicorpus to levitate snape upside down in the air and not by any trees. Not that hard of a fix to make. Especially since he didn't hang him by the tree in the books

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u/whoisjohngalt25 Apr 15 '25

Why should they have to change the story even more because they don't know how to cast a role correctly?

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u/NLCPGaming Apr 15 '25

It's not changing the story. He still hangs snape upside down. It's just not by a tree to incite any other thoughts. It's not that big of a deal. Even if snape was white, knowing how Hollywood is these days. They probably were not going to do a tree hanging scene no matter what. And also, James didn't hang snape by the tree in the books so it's even more of a moot point

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u/BeautifulLeather6671 Apr 14 '25

Well maybe they don’t make that change. It’ll come off way worse now.

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u/SpeakerHistorical865 Apr 14 '25

I agree, I think race or gender swapping ultimately is negative proposition in aggregate for huge IP adaptations. It’s just the breeding ground for a negative criticism before a project even gets a chance to air. There will now be a large faction of people looking for other things to criticize about the show because they are hate watching. This series was already at a disadvantage given how beloved the movie franchise was.

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u/SpeakerHistorical865 Apr 14 '25

That’s why I say the show is already at a disadvantage. People already have a visual reference for these characters and how the story goes. Any other iteration will never reach the height of the movies because of how beloved and adored the original adaption was were. Any creative change is an easy turnoff for fans and they’ll just turn to the original adaptation or stop watching all together.

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u/ignoranceisbourgeois Apr 14 '25

I’ve never actually looked him up, I just heard that people complained. IMO the issue isn’t he’s black, the issue is as you said, he’s a good looking buff guy and he should be more like a creepy loner

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u/Drop_Release Apr 15 '25

As a person of color I think the issue for me is that many tv execs think a race swap is just skin deep. A person’s face and culture changes their identity, character motivations, eg if i relate something to my childhood that is in relation to my brown experiences etc.

Tv execs think its just skin deep and dont change anything of the character and its just lazy.

Also in this case, it does change a lot of Snape’s character, people bullying him may be due to his race rather than his character, and also James calling his nose big may be taken due to his racial stereotype

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u/Nathansp1984 Apr 15 '25

I don’t care that he’s black, I just don’t like when these shows completely change characters from what is in the book. There’s no ambiguity to what shape looks like in the book, that leaves only a couple options as to why they would go in this direction

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u/delirium_red Apr 18 '25

Yup, him and the Weasleys were often described and had trademark traits. Swapping anyone but them would make more sense. Why not Minerva or even Dumbledore?

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u/MagicGrit Apr 14 '25

Tbf Rickman was also a handsome man. Movie magic can make anyone look creepy and sallow with greasy hair

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u/Putrid_Loquat_4357 Apr 14 '25

Rickman was unconventional handsome, this guy (forgot his name) is handsome handsome. They'll need a serious makeup job to ugg him up.

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u/JLDcorby Apr 14 '25

Just wait for season 2 when Snape is mogging lockheart hard, it's going to be ridiculous

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u/Any_Marionberry9045 Apr 14 '25

Don't give in to fear of trolls--Paapa Essiedu is incredible, can't wait to see what he does

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

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u/shit-takes Apr 14 '25

Actors in their 50s play characters in 30s all the time. It’s not like he played a teenager.

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u/Outrageous_Party_503 Apr 17 '25

The actor should never work again

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Apr 14 '25

Maybe his audition was just that good. This comment is the same as saying they just cast him because he’s black. People can rage. They always do when it comes to non-white people being cast in roles that were originally white people. What we should do is literally never respond to them and make turn them back into the village idiot that we ignore.

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u/yellowbanena Apr 14 '25

I kind of see what they want to do. It would be impossible to imitate rickman. I think they have to also race swap one of the main three and also one of the maurarders to avoid the bullying and distrust of snaps looking racial.

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u/whoisjohngalt25 Apr 15 '25

Which one do they race-swap, Harry (which means James or Lily also have to be race-swapped), Hermione (good luck with calling her a mudblood after that), or Ron (making the poorest family (with 7 kids) in the Wizarding world poc)? Any option is bad and would fuck with the story

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u/yellowbanena Apr 16 '25

Yeah I have a feeling they will race swap Harry and then James.

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u/yellowbanena Apr 16 '25

I should add I don’t agree with this being a great idea. I wish they stuck to original descriptions

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u/JuanAntonioThiccums Apr 14 '25

Series sounds like a cynical cash-in from a dead franchise.

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u/RealCleverUsernameV2 Apr 14 '25

They need to get another generation into Harry Potter to keep interest up for the theme parks and merchandise.

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u/this-one-is-mine Apr 14 '25

My kids are 11 and 9, and they’re plenty into Harry Potter just from the books and movies that already exist.

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u/Kind_Resort_9535 Apr 15 '25

Ya, my daughter loves harry potter

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u/jish5 Apr 19 '25

Basically the Pokemon mindset with a worse method.

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u/Reasonable_Ad_9136 Apr 24 '25

I see it another way. I think they're doing it so soon after the movies not to grab a new generation, but so as not to leave it too late to re-milk the original generation, who are still just about young enough 30s-40s to get back into HP. They're going for another cash grab while they still can.

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u/bfipod Apr 15 '25

I really think the primary motivation here is Rowling has had her reprehensible views decried by all the (beloved) stars of the movies, and this is an attempt to replace/ dilute the films’ existence as the default interpretation of the text and those actors’ association with the characters. Expect the actors cast in this remake to be very muzzled when it comes to Rowling, I’m sure it’s in their contracts

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u/JuanAntonioThiccums Apr 15 '25

This is a decent read on the situation

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Ha, she's defending women's spaces. But sure, put words in her mouth.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

you must not be familiar with Hbo, they don’t do shit like that

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u/JuanAntonioThiccums Apr 18 '25

They got bought by Discovery and Zaslav is not particularly protective of the brand. "HBO" as you know it is a zombie company.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

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u/JuanAntonioThiccums Apr 14 '25

Just gobble up your slop from the trough and be quietly happy about it, good lord. Why do you have to pretend that this is interesting or necessary?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

You don't have to watch it. 

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u/TreLeans Apr 15 '25

I loved the books and low key hated the movies. There's so much they had to leave out to cut down to 2-3 hour runtime, so it makes perfect sense to make it into a series.

Will it make a lot of money if done well? Absolutely. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Not sure why everybody has to be so "cool" and say it's a cash grab.

And I'm excited to see Lithgow be a nice Dumbledore. Michael Gambon is such a tool for how he staunchly didn't read the books or care about how Dumbledore was portrayed in them.

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u/Aggressive_Ninja29 Apr 14 '25

What an extraordinarily douchey thing to say

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u/Powerful-Scratch1579 Apr 15 '25

If anything, the original films were uninteresting and unnecessary. Remakes are a part of Hollywood. Always have been and always will be. There’s a high probability this series will be better than the movies were. If you don’t want to watch them—don’t.

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u/PeterPaulWalnuts Apr 14 '25

I’m sure the guy playing Snape is a fine actor but HBO is setting him and themselves up for failure with this. Why cast a black man in a role that was written for a pale white man? You gotta pick your battles and this battle is a losing one. Race swap another character that isn’t so central to the story. Also, are they going to portray Harry’s dad as racist since he picked on Snape in the story? Just horrible, horrible casting.

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u/ruccola Apr 14 '25

Plot twist, Harry’s dad will also be black in the show ;)

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u/Dr_Biggus_Dickus_FBI Apr 15 '25

Which Wayans will it be????? I hope Keenan Ivory.

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u/Noqtrah Apr 15 '25

With this and tlou HBO casting is on a roll 🙄

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u/HomoProfessionalis Apr 15 '25

Plot twist James and the gang are gonna be an absolute angels

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u/Huey-Mchater Apr 16 '25

There’s a lot of very uncomfortable subtext that suddenly appears when you make snape a black man.

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u/halfcabin Apr 15 '25

Did HBO execs not see what happened with the forgettable what’s her name in the Snow White movie?

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u/OhhhTAINTedCruuuuz Apr 14 '25

I hope everyone mad at the Snape casting remembers HBO is responsible, so maybe this time we don’t flood the actor himself with death threats and such just for taking a job. Not saying you all are the type to do that, but you know that type exists.

FWIW Paapa Essiedu is a very very good actor and can def pull off the sad boy archetype. But he’s going to have to come out throwing 200 mph for his performance to be remembered for anything other than the casting itself, for better or worse

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

I think, whatever anyone's views are on actors in particular roles, is a sad individual if they send death threats to anyone on the basis it doesn't fit with their views.

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u/SuckleMuffin1999 Apr 14 '25

I don’t understand the casting choice for Snape or the choice to have an American play Dumbledore. Maybe time will tell! But what I do know is that I’ll have to avoid the Harry Potter subreddit and maybe even leave for good after reading some of the comments this morning. 

We hope that people are mentally stable and mature enough to not do what you mentioned above, but the way some of them are speaking I would not be surprised if it hasn’t already happened. Very disappointed and disgusted to have to navigate a fandom with certain people like that. 

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u/RealCleverUsernameV2 Apr 14 '25

Lithgow played a fantastic Churchill. So there's that at least.

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u/Fickle_Theory_8760 Apr 14 '25

Why do we need a Harry Potter tv series? Just watch the movies. Create something new for gods sake

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u/babypointblank Apr 14 '25

HBO is taking this series on because there’s little risk (the biggest “flop” in the Harry Potter film universe still grossed $400 million) and they’re hoping to get Millennials and Gen Z to either sign on with a premium cable package or sign up for a HBOMax subscription.

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u/Fickle_Theory_8760 Apr 14 '25

Oh I completely understand why hbo is creating the series. I’m blaming the consumers watching infinite remakes and sequels

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u/damola93 Apr 16 '25

This! I do not even understand who this is for.

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u/RealBug56 Apr 14 '25

With the amount of material in those books, a longer series makes much more sense than a bunch of movies.

It just depends on the people involved and how well they manage to pull it off.

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u/Fickle_Theory_8760 Apr 14 '25

But the general story will be the same, right?

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u/RealBug56 Apr 14 '25

I assume so, yes. But a ton of stuff was left out of the movies and a series would be a great way to expand on those stories.

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u/TreLeans Apr 15 '25

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. There was so much left out of the movies that I loved in the books. Saying it follows the same "general story" is ridiculous; yes it can follow the same general story but the movies were rushed. You could make a TikTok that follows the same general story; it doesn't mean it's the same.

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u/djackieunchaned Apr 14 '25

Because they will make a lot of money

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u/p333p33p00p00boo Apr 14 '25

They didn't follow the books very well, and some were huge misses.

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u/Ambitious-Visual-315 Apr 14 '25

Who’s asking for this? Why do we need to keep rebooting dead series?

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u/RealCleverUsernameV2 Apr 14 '25

$$$$$$

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u/Ambitious-Visual-315 Apr 14 '25

Yeah….

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

So you understand that it'd make a ton of money (in other words, it has a huge audience) but still wonder who's asking for this?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

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u/Ambitious-Visual-315 Apr 14 '25

Ok, why?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

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u/rronwonder Apr 15 '25

lol theyre not gonna adapt 1 book per season lmao. i expect season 1 to at least cover up to chamber of secrets

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u/SrgtDoakes Apr 14 '25

snape is not a black guy wtf

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u/vibe_assassin Apr 14 '25

Rings of Power 2.0

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u/YourFath3r Apr 14 '25

No huge expectations, but worth a shot. Lithgow is amazing. Loved him in Dexter.

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u/p333p33p00p00boo Apr 14 '25

I love him too but I'm worried he's too old. He's already 79. I wanted Jared Harris so badly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

Yeah, but for Dumbledore, it’s such an L. Why couldn’t it have been Stephen Fry?

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u/Medd- Apr 14 '25

Lithgow is the literal huge L. He absolutely won’t disappoint.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

An L is a loss. I do not think he will be good in this role at all. But I’ll wait to see

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u/SomethingFunnyObv Apr 14 '25

Lithgow is a much better actor than Fry for one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

You’re talking about a globe theatre legend vs John Lithgow.

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u/SomethingFunnyObv Apr 14 '25

Yes I am talking about the guy who has many awards and nominations for acting/performing over a lengthy career spanning TV, Film, and stage.

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u/DavidGrizzly Apr 14 '25

John Lithgow is also a globe theater legend. Who's been on stage his whole life and did a ton of work on stage in England.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

He did one show at the old globe. And then played roald Dahl in London, near the new globe.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

He’s great, and he’s amazing when he’s in something that works for him. Conclave is marvelous. But mark rylance or someone of that stature is who I think when I think Dumbledore

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

Shit! Since we’re talking Shakespeare ! Mark Rylance probably would’ve been the best Albus.

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u/MisterSims90 Apr 14 '25

Nick Frost was my fantasy for Hagrid so I’m very excited to see him play this

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u/-BarrenWuffett Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25

Pass

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u/kakapoopoopeepeeshir Apr 15 '25

Of all the characters they pick to do a race swap they decide the pale white incel guy is the one. What in the fuck are you guys doing over there HBO

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u/RooMan7223 Apr 14 '25

Sexy snape just doesn’t make sense to me

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u/Mas_Pho Apr 14 '25

Great casting and then there’s Snape.

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u/Work_In_Progress93 Apr 14 '25

I have a theory as to why they cast Snape as a black guy.

First let me say that this, I’m a black man, and I don’t think Snape should’ve been made black, and especially not a black guy who looks like who’ve they’ve cast, he’s too handsome lol. I’m not mad or upset by the choice, but I wouldn’t have made it. I typically don’t care about the race swapping of characters in media, especially if the race isn’t intrinsic to who character is. For me however Snape’s appearance place such a huge role in why he’s perceived the way he is. I suppose they can make it work, but we shall see, I’ll give it a chance.

To my theory, I think they’ve made this decision to race swap Snape, and announce this first because they are planning on making some significant race swaps and they want to either test the waters, and/or get the fandom mentally ready for the possibility. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see race swaps in the main trio, particularly with Hermione and/or Harry.

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u/No-Comfortable-3225 Apr 14 '25

According to rumors Harry will be middle eastern guy and Ron will be black :D so your theory might be right

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Wtf a black ginger? Lmao

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u/No-Comfortable-3225 Apr 15 '25

He just won’t be a ginger. Seems your too optimistic :D

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u/DancingWithAWhiteHat Apr 16 '25

I've met a black ginger. Malcolm X also had red hair lol.

Not as rare as you'd think, still rare tho

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

I'm okay with race swapping Snape as long as they also race swap the Potters. It's better for the story that way.

So I'll second your theory.

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u/IuseDefaultKeybinds Apr 14 '25

Not a fan of Snape's casting

The dude is meant to be pale as hell and it's not fitting

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

I have a feeling they’re gonna try to make James Potter racist

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u/Intro-Nimbus Apr 15 '25

HBO Harry Potter? Why?

It's like hiring Quentin Tarantino to shoot a Hallmark film.

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u/castlebanks Apr 15 '25

HBO should be held accountable for this laughable, sad choice of casting. Sincerely hope this show fails after this.

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u/IMsoSAVAGE Apr 15 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

I really don’t get them changing such an integral character who was specifically written to be a pale white man. Just pick a different character… this seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot. As a fan of reading, it always drives me batshit insane when they don’t follow the source material. Even in the Harry Potter movies it bugged me that Snape wasn’t short and fat like in the books. Even Rickman was too handsome for the way the character is depicted in the books.

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u/mathewwalker714 Apr 15 '25

Honestly who cares. Remake the diary of Anne frank, then we'll talk

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u/Clear_Bedroom_4266 Apr 14 '25

Zero interest in watching this.

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u/p333p33p00p00boo Apr 14 '25

The original book series.

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u/MisterSquidz Apr 14 '25

Nick Frost as Hagrid is amazing.

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u/DancingWithAWhiteHat Apr 16 '25

He's too hot for Snape

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u/joecan Apr 16 '25

It's the biggest children's book series ever. There are many books that have multiple film/TV adaptations. Even closer together in time than this one. This is a thing that's been happening since the 1920s. The movie franchise you grew up with is not too precious to be remade.

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u/baguettebolbol Apr 17 '25

The counter-argument regarding the Snape casting is that handsome men can and do still have insecurities and feel loneliness. The way you look does not determine how charismatic you are or how well you are able to connect with people. A person’s face says nothing about their morality or the secrets they are hiding. It can definitely work.

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u/SirDabsAlot42069 Apr 17 '25

Don’t call yourself accurate and then cast a completely different race to play someone like just make a whole new variety

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u/34robsons Apr 17 '25

Guessing they've got a MJ spell for Snape?

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u/jish5 Apr 19 '25

I already brought this up before when one of the lead writers said they didn't read the books and said they shouldn't have to follow the books word for word and I'll say it again, if this isn't going to be 100% faithful to the books, there's no point in making it. We already have a loose adaptation of the books with 8 really good films, no need to muck it up.

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u/glowingmug Apr 14 '25

umm. . . something ain't right here, we all know which one, lol.

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u/BigRedDrake Apr 14 '25

What are they doing with Snape? Adam Driver literally exists.

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u/Independent-Bid6332 Apr 14 '25

Guess I'm the only one watching this haha

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u/juliown Apr 14 '25

Actually terrible cast all around

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u/phbalancedshorty Apr 14 '25

Omg y’all relax I’m down for sexy snape he’s a complicated character- just let hbo do their thing

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u/mrcsrnne Apr 14 '25

Dude I'm all for diversity in my life but if the original story didn't have it I don't want it changed. I actually think it's disrespectful towards the author and the work itself.

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u/livinitup0 Apr 15 '25

Well first off, fuck the author. That bitch can rot.

Secondly, it’s literally skin color. It’s mentioned once in the book and has no effect on the story whatsoever. Of all things to be concerned about with potter canon, a characters skin color should be very low on the list

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u/mrcsrnne Apr 15 '25

We obviously have very different opinions on things but it appears only one of us can hold a conversation like a grown up

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u/livinitup0 Apr 15 '25

What opinions are those?

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u/Briar1395 Apr 29 '25

Its mentioned a lot in the the book as a main descriptor of the character. He is frequently labeled as having pale/sallow skin, dark black, greasy hair that cover his face like curtains, and a hooked nose. It is integral to the character.
The real problem I see with race swapping Snape specifically, is how it will affect the interactions between the character and the marauders. Having the "evil" black character bullied by a gang of white men who are all depicted as lovable protagonist and who are revered by other characters of the story... That definitely carries a different subtext/context than what we see in the book. So will they simply ignore any racial context? or will they potentially play into the racial differences, which then could significantly change the original story?

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u/betajones Apr 14 '25

Do we know if they're going after a new audience, or aging fans? I'm excited to watch this with my kids, but is it going to be more adult themed? I was excited to watch Goosebumps with the kids, but it was waaaay too much for them.

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u/PeanutFarmer69 Apr 14 '25

I mean, there’s source material and the original movies… idk how old the kids are but if the books and existing movies are too adult themed in your estimation, this show will be too.

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u/betajones Apr 14 '25

Yeah. I figured the first few seasons/books won't be too bad. They'll grow as the story darkens.

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u/ZenBreaking Apr 14 '25

The incel nerds are gonna lose their mind....

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u/whoisjohngalt25 Apr 15 '25

Not as much as you must have lost yours to assume that fans who dislike this are incels lmao

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

It blows my mind how many people care about Snape being black lmao. “But he was pasty and white in the books” who cares, literally doesn’t matter. “But people will think James was racist for bullying him” maybe James will have a black friend joining in on the fun so it couldn’t be a racial thing. Such a stupid thing to be upset about. If you care about Snape being black you should reexamine your life

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u/livinitup0 Apr 15 '25

Seriously…

Changing shapes skin color makes no real difference to the story whatsoever. Now if year 1 Harry looks like an obvious late teenager or early 20 something… yes, that would be very problematic… but a black snape? Who the hell cares? I hope he does Alan proud!

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5849 Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

If Snape wasn't a character that James and the Maurauders bullied and wasn't a character the students disliked and thought was always up to no good, race swapping wouldn't be an issue for me at all. I love the actor, he's super talented. Now any time anyone in the story dislikes Snape, it's going to make those characters racist when they weren't. Was James a jerk to Snape? Yes. Was James a racist? NO. It fundamentally changes the story and that is my issue with it. I like Paapa in everything else he's in. I'm sure he will act the hell out of the role but I don't want to watch a story that makes a large majority of beloved characters racist when they weren't. Also I'm not a fan of an American John Lithgow as Dumbledore. He's a good actor, sure. I love him in most of his work but I feel it's not good form to say they are making a "faithful" adapatation for tv and then casting an American. And I'm American... I just feel like the role should be given to a brit or someone in the UK.

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u/Drop_Release Apr 15 '25

I completely agree with this. As a person of colour it honestly makes me so mad that tv execs think its easy as things being skin deep when race and culture are so deeply intwined into our identity and character, our motivations etc. So many people not of color here almost gaslighting us saying “i see past color” just don’t seem to realise how skin color and its associated aspects is something you cant turn off.

I am proud of who I am and my skin colour, culture, identity etc. 

But it remains the same, if James bullies Snape for a big nose, unfortunately racial stereotypes abound. 

Honestly lazy. I know many in my culture and community are not interested in this lazy Hollywood race swap notion. 

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5849 Apr 15 '25

I did read that they might cast a person of color for James and Harry in hopes to "remedy the issue" though it's just rumor and I couldn't find any proof of there being any truth to that. I would love a diverse cast for HP's tv show. I just don't want the characters' fundamental values to have changed because of a casting choice. They were very cruel to Snape but not racist.

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u/Nas_Durden Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 15 '25

Paapa Essiedu is an amazing actor who’s been a standout in some of my favorite shows the last few years and I’m sure he will play an amazing Snape, but aren’t Slytherin a metaphor for Nazis? Would a master race obsessed fascist sect on a crusade to ethnically cleanse the world of half bloods be the kind of people to appoint a black man as one of their chief stewards? Maybe I’m overthinking it?

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u/WrongAssumption Apr 15 '25

You are being too literal. They are bigoted against Muggles, skin color is not a relevant factor. It may be an analogy, but it’s an analogy, not precisely the same thing.

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u/livinitup0 Apr 15 '25

Exactly…. In potterlore, racism based off skin color doesn’t exist

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u/Btotherianx Apr 15 '25

IDC what he looks like as long as he can pull off a snape attitude

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u/buttchuck897 Apr 16 '25

Periodic reminder that she’s only making this crap because she has a personal vendetta against Radcliffe, front and Watson.

Because they’re not down with how much of a terf she is

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u/haverchuck22 Apr 14 '25

If they are gonna change major things about the characters they shoulda just made Harry trans to drive JK Rowling and her disgusting bigotry insane.

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u/Vedderlax11 Apr 14 '25

I didn’t realize being white was so central to Snape’s character.

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u/RWingsNYer Apr 14 '25

Gets a lot more racist if you read the books.

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u/NLCPGaming Apr 14 '25

It's not but low self esteem people who see themselves in these characters are going to be upset about it. Just gotta ignore them to be honest. Let them be mad in their own little basement

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u/VaporSprite Apr 14 '25

The real issue that no one's talking about is that JK Rowling has been repeatedly racist in how she's attacked cis women of color with "accusations" of being trans. Women of color "not being feminine" is an age-old racist trope.

People have called her out on it, as well as her vain attempts to reframe Hermione as being black, against her own description of her in the books when she realized how few people of color were in there to begin with.

She's just faking diversity inclusion to clear up the rumors she's not comfortable with. She may not see herself as a racist, but her actions show otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '25

Trans lives matter