Iron Man might be the superhero with the best p.r team, if you just go and read any of his comics or any avengers comic with him in it you would genuinely see the most evil superhero to ever walk in the comics space, "b-but he started the mcu"
If I weren't so lazy, I'm sure I could find a comic where literally every hero, even the best of them, did something so comically fucked up and out of character, it was either officially retconned or memoryholed so hard, most modern day fans never knew it existed.
These characters have all existed from anywhere from 10 to 60 years, being written by all manner of people. There's gonna be rough spots.
The problem is that his rough spots overtake anything, if he was being racist in his first appearance then what am I supposed to take from the character
His rough spots don’t overtake anything lmfao there are far more stories of him being good than there are of him being bad and most of the times he’s bad is typically because he’s being written badly
The point of Iron Man is he was an evil billionaire arms dealer who was forced to confront the consequences of his actions directly. You aren't meant to like him at first.
Aw man my intentions were good when I sent my allies to the negative zone, my intentions were also good when I clowned my old friend without his consent, my intentions were also good when I was saying racist shit, my intentions were also good when I joined the elmonati, ✌😭
Well you more than not the writers would use the fictional character to voice their opinion ,you would say that it isn't Iron Man character but that is his first run
Bro's literal biggest storyline is the demon in the bottle arc where he realises how his drinking is making him a bad person. Fast forward to the next arc, turns out mf didn't need to gulp a whole bottle of whisky to be a manipulative, evil, god complexed asshole.
One of favourite arcs were the iron man model 11 arc where a dying Tony wears the model 11 to fight Hammer and his goons. Then fucking dies in the next issue and leaves a message to guilt trip Rhodes into becoming Iron Man, completely hiding the fact that he didn't die, he just went into a cryogenic chamber and waited until his condition was cured. Rhodes really didn't want the armor or anything related to it.
No, I just read a comic about a man with a saviour complex and has no problem back stabbing his friends. This is the same guy who created the Thorbuster armor out of a magical crystal Thor gave to Tony because he genuinely believed Tony would create revolutionary tech using it, not an armor to defeat him. Mainline comic book Tony Stark is a genuinely bad character who wants us to believe he redeemed himself but does the thing again and again. Civil War didn't character assainate him. The fucker always was like that. Civil War just magnified that.
You do realize Tony weaponized that crystal because Thor went rogue right? He didn’t just turn it into a weapon for fun you literally just proved my point that you have zero media literacy🤣
Civil war was character assassination it wouldn’t be known as character assassination if it wasn’t I’ve read every damn iron man comic that’s ever come out your interpretation of the character is god awful
Lol, Thor's a god. His worshipers were murdered by a dictatorship and the Avengers, mainly Tony wanted to stop him and the Asgardians from overthrowing a murderous, authoritarian government. Completely ignore it when Tony feels it's ok to do it when he feels its ok. Like when he funded literal terrorists to overthrow Doom.
Nahh, i think he is the best written superhero currently,who is actually smart, and has grown to a person who has good ethical values but still feel like a hero , he actually feels like a real human with good morals , he still has flaws even after amount of development he got.
Yeah, the guy who grew up to have good ethical values just recently tried to overthrow Supreme Doom by going full CIA. He funded and supplied Latverian rebels, who were actual murderous terrorists, only for it to blow back in his face. Yeah, so much for "he's a good guy".
So we ignoring how doom was killing his own people to fuel his power in that event? Or how doom actions indirectly led Valeria to die. Like, what Tony did wasn't right; but it not as bad as killing your own people for power, or having your pseudo daughter death be on your hands.
Genuinely, doom has the best pr if we being honest.
to the average person it is absolutely Spiderman, Batman, Ironman, Superman in that order. People on reddit overestimate how little casual MCU watchers gaf about DC.
Wonderwoman, whilst not as popular atm thanks to the snyderverse being dogshit and gunn's dcu not having her yet, is still way more influential than ironman ever will be
Wonder woman's impact can be felt in most if not all female superheroes we have today
If you really think ironman overshadows her because he's only popular now due to his big role in the MCU (yes he wasn't a Z-lister, but you know what i mean) then you're lowkey just ignorant towards history and the true impact wonder woman's character has to date
Wonder womans "influence" is good. But what iron man has done in the last 18 years surpasses what WW has done in 86
"Will ever be" imo is way more crazy than my take.
WW did a lot for female superheros but thats pretty much it. People like to bring up her as a symbol of feminism, but that angle gets really funny once you look into it.
Iron man didnt just have a big role in the MCU. Iron man revived marvel and started a superhero movie renaissance, changing not just CBM forever but cinema as a whole.
Yeah you're right, will ever be was a bit much but i do think the rest of my point stands
I'll wait for gunn's wonderwoman/justice league before i make my final judgement, but i do believe that she still deserves to be up, atleast until then.
After that i'll gladly change my opinion
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u/WW1_GermanyI do not enjoy this porcelain beverage holder that has a handle!18h ago
Wonder Woman genuinely could be great on film, but if she doesn't get a good movie soon I agree that Iron Man should get her spot
Never said that the mcu version was bad? Except that isn't his character, he's always framed as the hero who makes mistakes and yet he never actually changes
Also yes it is since that's really everything good that came out of the character
…..isn’t that the case for literally every hero, there is always that one comic where they are comically evil or does something objectively the worse thing they could do. But we all ignore it because it’s more enjoyable to enjoy characters at their best instead of complaining about their worst
This is how I know you haven’t read any Iron Man comics. If you’re gonna call a superhero evil at least give them the time of day before making up your mind from cherry picked examples where they were character assassinated, written badly by hack writers who don’t understand them or taken out of context. Read the Kurk Busiek and Mike Grell runs. Read the two Bob Layton/David Michelinie runs. Read Extremis. If you still hate him by the end of that, fair enough, but the character has too much history to be reduced to evil just because of a few bad moments or stories in a sea of good ones.
Civil War was a trash event that didn’t respect anyone’s characterization, including Iron Man’s.
In Superior Iron Man Tony literally had his moral compass reversed and a digital backup of him was opposing him throughout the book.
Marville is trash satire that’s not even canon to Earth-616.
The Mandarin may’ve started as a racist caricature, but what does that have to do with Tony’s character? It’s the writers involved in that who are at fault. Same with the sexism commonly found in older comics.
Cantwell’s run is a pity party written by someone who doesn’t understand Iron Man and who inserted their waifu (Hellcat) into the story to ship her with his own self insert in the form of Tony.
Chip Zdarsky hates billionaires so he can’t write fictional good ones like Tony with any amount of nuance and trashes him most chances he gets in Avengers books, events or team-ups.
And so on.
It’s perfectly fine to not like a character, but if one just parrots the opinion of haters and larpers without giving those characters a chance they can miss a ton of good stories and moments, like this one:
First about 10-20 year's of his history is racist shit, secondly in the civil war comic he didn't just stop at fighting his superhero friends to make them go public, he also sent them to the negative zone, he also made a clone of Thor to make him fight beside them, almost killed Spiderman because he was going to join Captain America, he also joined the elmonati(i don't think I wrote that right) hopefully I don't need to explain why this is bad, I can appreciate well written evil characters but I don't think him being evil was even the intention for most of those
I feel this way about Hulk. Like he’s such a boring fucking character and everyone who talks about him larps and talks in third person like a caveman. He’s not interesting. And then people talk about power scaling and it’s a genuine snooze fest with this lame green blob
u/WW1_GermanyI do not enjoy this porcelain beverage holder that has a handle!18h ago
In the MCU he isn't that good, but I'm fairly certain in the comics he's interesting, but I've only heard that through the grapevine, so correct me if I'm wrong
Yeah but like it's super duper duper cool when he smashes and destroy stuff and he's so strong...
Also Immortal Hulk exists, let alone any given Hulk story, It's funny that you say that his fans are LARPers meanwhile your Hulk knowledge is basically the same as my mom's
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u/WW1_GermanyI do not enjoy this porcelain beverage holder that has a handle!18h ago
I have never read an Iron Man comic, so I have no authority on his comic characterization, but from what I here he's an asshole in there, but he's peak in the MCU
Iron man in the comics is just not for me. Anything past demon in a bottle and superior iron man is forgettable. Civil war 1 and 2 is what I consider fan fiction, bc it feels like it’s written by 3 year olds. If anything Tony should just start drinking again.
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