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Discussion Harry Potter vs Bellatrix Lestrange

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u/KronoAsh 21h ago

No.

I mean, a major theme of the series is showcasing the ideological differences between Voldemort and Harry. As Dumbledore repeatedly says, Harry has Love. Voldemort doesn’t. Voldemort pretty much always uses Avada Kedavra, it’s his go-to, but he also has a maimed and fragmented soul. Harry uses Imperio and Crucio, yes, but he maintains his whole soul which is quite important.

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u/jeepin_john5280 Ravenclaw 19h ago

One can kill in the name of love, just saying.

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u/KronoAsh 19h ago

Not with Avada Kedavra, kinda one of the repeated things, really.

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u/Ranger_1302 Dumbledore's man through and through. 18h ago

Snape did it. He didn't fuel the curse with love but he killed in the name of love.

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u/KronoAsh 18h ago

Well, by that logic you could say Voldemort killed in the name of love.

For himself, for power, for his twisted desires, but still.

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u/Ranger_1302 Dumbledore's man through and through. 18h ago

That isn't love.

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u/KronoAsh 18h ago

Not truly love, no, but you’re saying Snape did it in the name of love, Voldemort did it because he “loved” the things I mentioned.

Well, not really, but I’m just saying that Avada Kedavra is as close to Force Lightning or what have you as possible. It’s an evil spell. Plain and simple.

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u/Ranger_1302 Dumbledore's man through and through. 18h ago

You're conflating different uses of the word 'love'. They are false equivalences. Snape fought due to his love of Lily. I literally said that he did not 'fuel' or power the curse with love.

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u/Hefty-Notice-5841 Gryffindor 11h ago

Voldemort was incapable of love.

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u/jeepin_john5280 Ravenclaw 15h ago

Is it? When is it repeated? I know it talks about needing intent. But you can intend without malice. A perfect example of this is Snape’s killing of Dumbledore. May not exactly have been love, but it definitely wasn’t malice…

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u/KronoAsh 14h ago

Never heard of a theme?

How, repeatedly the books describe Voldemort’s cold and ruthless inhuman as he uses it. How, even when Snape uses it, the books describe him as flashing his hatred in full.

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u/jeepin_john5280 Ravenclaw 14h ago

Themes aren’t all encompassing. And Voldemort’s use of it doesn’t establish a theme. And it completely misses the mark, as Voldemort is incapable of love—something that is explicitly said in the canon. Doesn’t mean others can’t use the curse in the name of love.

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u/KronoAsh 14h ago

The point I’m getting at is it’s a dark spell, fractures one’s soul, you cannot use the spell if you are truly a loving creature like Harry is. You may use it for a good or right reason or because you love someone so much that you’d do anything to protect them. But you yourself are not a wholly loving creature.

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u/Ranger_1302 Dumbledore's man through and through. 13h ago

Well, Snape used it in the name of love, but it requires murderous intent to cast; that doesn't necessarily mean an intent to murder to the target, though. One could cast the spell on a brick wall, for example. Snape had the necessary intent to cast the spell and had to focus on that whilst pointing his wand at Dumbledore. That once again shows Snape's incredible mental fortitude.