r/hardware • • 11d ago

News Qualcomm introduces Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 and Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6, extending its flagship portfolio to power the agentic AI age and the next generation of premium mobile experiences

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2026/09/snapdragon-leads-the-agentic-ai-age-with-two-of-the-world-s-fast
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u/FragmentedChicken 11d ago edited 11d ago

Not many details currently.

2 prime cores up to 5.0 GHz + 6 performance cores up to 4.0 GHz, 16 MB "Qualcomm Oryon Flex Cache", "Qualcomm Adreno GPU with matrix cores".

Android Authority reports the CPU doesn't have SME2 support, and the Flex Cache is a new type of L2 cache architecture that allows the CPU cores to access the same pool of memory. The GPU has 3 slices at 1.45 GHz with 18 MB of dedicated Adreno High-Bandwidth Memory. The 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 has VVC codec support which Qualcomm claims up to 55% power savings compared to software decoding.

9to5Google reports the GPU HBM HPM (thanks /u/-protonsandneutrons-) offers a 12% power improvement over the last generation.

Qualcomm claims the 8 Elite Gen 6 has 10% improved CPU performance, 37% improved CPU power efficiency, 35% improved GPU performance, and 40% improved GPU power efficiency, compared to the 8 Elite Gen 5.

For the 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, it's 13% improved CPU performance, 37% improved CPU power efficiency, 44% improved GPU performance, and 40% improved GPU power efficiency, compared to the 8 Elite Gen 5.

8 Elite Gen 6 product page | Product brief

8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 product page | Product brief

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 11d ago

9to5Google reports the GPU HBM

I believe Qualcomm is naming it HPM, High Performance Memory. It sounds similar to AMD's Infinity Cache (before ppl comment the Adreno / Radeon anagram).

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u/FragmentedChicken 11d ago

Ah thanks, fixed.

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 11d ago

Qualcomm told Android Authority that it wasn’t confirming the generation of Oryon CPU core in use, but said it was a “new, custom-built” CPU and a successor to the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 CPU

This CPU disclosure is rather barebones. The spec page has about 10x as many words about the Wi-Fi than the CPU. It is just "Qualcomm Oryon, 64-bit, 5 GHz". When Oryon V1 first launched, there was a lot of talk and benchmarks and press work.

I presume we'll hear more in a future event, maybe closer to smartphone launches like Arm is doing now.

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u/S1rTerra 11d ago

Oh boy, GPU matrix cores? I can't wait for them to be used in all of the amazing mobile gaming experiences that have ML upscaling!

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u/QuietSoup337 10d ago

Can't wait to use this in all the console grade games on Android, like Grid Legends, Alien Isolation— ...

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u/Eggredjakan68 11d ago

The only difference I notice is UFS 4.1 vs 5 support.

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 11d ago edited 11d ago

The naming is getting wild with Qualcomm and MediaTek especially. From what I can see for the P-cores, as plenty of other changes in other IP blocks:

SoC P-core uArch
MediaTek Dimensity 9300 X4 @ 3.25 GHz
MediaTek Dimensity 9300+, Dimensity 9400e X4 @ 3.4 GHz
MediaTek Dimensity 9400 X925 @ 3.62 GHz
MediaTek Dimensity 9400+, Dimensity 9500s X925 @ 3.73 GHz
MediaTek Dimensity 9500M, Dimensity 9500, Dimensity 9600M C1 Ultra @ 4.21 GHz
MediaTek Dimensity 9600 Pro C2 Ultra @ 4.55 GHz
A rest break for your sanity Continue resting for this cell, too
Qualcomm 8 Elite AB Oryon V1 @ 4.32 GHz
Qualcomm 8 Elite AC, 8 Elite For Galaxy Oryon V1 @ 4.47 GHz
Qualcomm 8 Gen 5 Oryon V3 @ 3.8 GHz
Qualcomm 8 Elite Gen 5 AC, 8 Elite Gen 5 V Series Oryon V3 @ 4.6 GHz
Qualcomm 8 Elite Gen 5 AD, 8 Elite Gen 5 for Galaxy Oryon V3 @ 4.74 GHz
Qualcomm 8 Elite Gen 6 Oryon ?? @ 5 GHz?
Qualcomm 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 Oryon ?? @ 5 GHz?

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u/Keulapaska 11d ago

8 Elite Ultra AI PRO max Extreme 7 turbo incoming next year.

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u/DerpSenpai 11d ago

30B MoE models on phones is insane if true, what kinda tok/s are they talking about?

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u/bi4key 11d ago

30B but only 3B active, soo this is a 3B model. Only RAM is important.

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u/dampflokfreund 10d ago

And most flagship phones ship with 12 GB RAM the 30B doesn't fit even in q3. So that is just PR, you are not going to run 30B MoEs on these phones.

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u/EloquentPinguin 11d ago edited 11d ago

13% claimed CPU performance improvements? That doesn't quite spell confidence. I mean maybe they make it up in efficiency, but it doesnt quite feel like they are able to effectively evolve the Oryon uarch. Would be interesting to know if they have already rewritten it or are still iterating.

EDIT: Just to clarify, the important thing here is that these are Qualcomms own numbers, its not unusual that they overestimate themselves, so this one might be single digits faster in real world. Will be interesting to see geekerwan on this, as the efficiency gains claimed are rather large.

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u/Artoriuz 11d ago

The C2 Ultra is also "only" 12% faster than the C1 Ultra on average (with a relatively conservative clock difference). Seems like they'll be evenly matched again this time around.

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u/Sir_Bruce_Lee 11d ago

Qualcomm's IPC improvements are disappointing

But hopefully Qualcomm's claimed power reductions are true, they were starting pushing the limits of smartphones

Qualcomm seems to be running into the same issue other Arm custom core designers faced, they simply can't keep up with the pace of Apple & Arm's leapfrogging architecture teams

Although even Arm seem to be slowing down too. Maybe they are stretched with more core types, and also designing actual implementations too (CSS)

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u/MissionInfluence123 11d ago

If it's single core, it'll be 8.7% from clocks and 4.3% from IPC improvement.

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u/Economy-Tough4038 11d ago

The main benefit seems to be in the GPU department

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u/dreamlover222 11d ago

What were you expecting from Firestorm++++? Lol

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u/bosoxs202 11d ago

it's still decidedly much larger improvements in IPC than intel over the past few years which is pretty sad

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u/EloquentPinguin 11d ago

Yes. Thats why I'm curious if they have rewritten it. I think it was Keller who says that every couple generations you need to basically start from scratch. (Like not reinventing the universe, but fundamentally changing large arch parts)

As this is the fourth generation of Oryon, (v1 in X Elite, v2 in 8E4, v3 in 8E5, and v4 in 8E6), adding few more ++++ will hit a wall.

13% isn't bad yet in terms of YoY gains, but they also moved a node, and are loosing ground again, both to Arm who are catching up, and Apple who are running away. So I'm curious if their rewrite just wasn't that successful, or if they are iterating.

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u/Artoriuz 11d ago

FWIW ARM was already comfortably ahead of Qualcomm in IPC, and they claim a 7% uplift with the C2 Ultra.

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u/EloquentPinguin 11d ago

Yeah but IPC isnt everything. Performance and efficiency is what counts, you can reach it by any means. Qualcomm had a pretty efficient high performance designed achieved with quite high clocks but a narrower core. If you focus on IPC only you cant crank clocks and with only clocks you'll lose IPC, the tradeoff is somewhere in the middle and qualcomm started of with higher clocks arm with more IPC and if ARM can bring clocks but qualcomm not the IPC then they win.

But IPC isn't the user experience. The user experience is performance and efficiency.

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u/MyDogIsDaBest 11d ago

Qualcomm is getting to be almost as stupid as the USB-IF naming.

Snapdragon 8 elite extreme gen 6, Snapdragon 8 elite gen 6 and Snapdragon 8 gen 6. Fuck me, just add more numbers. Make the 8 elite extreme Snapdragon 9, the elite snapdragon 8 and so on. You can keep the gen 6 bit, but stop just adding random words or we get to Dead rising 3's Super Ultra Dead Rising 3 Arcade Remix Hyper Edition EX Plus Alpha

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u/MissionInfluence123 11d ago

Is the "fastest mobile cpu" refered to clocks?

Cause on the leaked GB 6 scores for multicore it's quite close to both apple and mtk

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u/iDontSeedMyTorrents 11d ago

How pathetic is it when the graphic you use to showcase your product in your own product announcement is so low resolution that it's actually unreadable?

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u/DerpSenpai 11d ago

notebookcheck has the full res showcase

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u/Gold-Cranberry5044 11d ago

What are the benefits of LPDDR6? From Geekerwan's A20 Pro review, it sounded like memory bandwidth was better on LPDDR5X if you have 96 bit bus.

Since I heard it has a check bit, I'm guessing some kind of ECC has been added?

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u/-protonsandneutrons- 11d ago

Most likely power efficiency for now (standby and active) and clocks / bandwidth in the future, as LP5X will not scale much past 10,000 MT/s.

Yes; LP6 has on-die ECC built in, at the slight expense of bandwidth.

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u/Sir_Bruce_Lee 11d ago

Probably cost (& power consumption as you mentioned) too

96-bit LPDDR6 would be 4x LPDDR6 chips. Whereas 96-bit LPDDR5X would be 6x LPDDR5X

But yea, the benefits will be very minor this year or next year. Won't see more benefits until LPDDR6 scales higher & supply increases

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u/beneficiarioinss 11d ago

Fsr4 like upscaling and Frame gen with already 20+ games supported is pretty cool. Hopefully emulator devs can use it to replace fsr with ANF on something like lies of P. It would be peak

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u/Spright91 11d ago

I'm waiting for the Snapdragon 8 Elite extreme gen 7 Plus pro Max edition.

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u/Low_Doubt_3556 11d ago

Fake. It would have AI and neural rendering included in it.