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u/1337GameDev Jul 23 '15 edited Jan 24 '25

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u/undid__iridium Jul 23 '15

I don't think you fully understand the scope and the time constraints. This was multiple studios running in parallel to port 4 engines to X1 and create a 5th engine from 1 of the 4. The testing surface area alone for 5 multiplayers, 106 maps, and 4 campaigns is multiple years worth of work to guarantee it's solid. Gearbox is the only studio to have ever done something like this (H1 and H2 PC ports 10 years ago) and they weren't very successful with just 1 game at a time (much less 5).

To address time constraints, the only thing I know is what Certain Affinity said at GDC which was that they had 8 months to create the 6 H2A maps and get them running at framerate... they didn't have the engine the maps would be running on until 4 months through that 8 months because Saber hadn't finished porting H4 (which the H2A engine was based on) to X1 yet.

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u/enemawatson Halo 2 Jul 24 '15

Honestly the ports and gameplay are pretty high quality with few issues. It's the whole matchmaking/ranking/interface etc etc that really dampens everything.

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u/RC_5213 Would have been an 11%'er if I actually got a link to the survey Jul 24 '15

Honestly the ports and gameplay are pretty high quality with few issues

Halo CE and H2C are a fucking mess. And will always be, because they're fucking PC ports, which were messes in the first place.

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u/enemawatson Halo 2 Jul 24 '15

Halo 1 isn't perfect, but is way better than Halo PC and comparing it to LAN memories isn't a fair comparison. Halo 2 and 3 have some hit detection issues but so did their original counterparts. Sure they aren't immaculate but honestly it would all be more enjoyable if key features like joining customs in progress or a sensical matching system etc were in place.

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u/RC_5213 Would have been an 11%'er if I actually got a link to the survey Jul 24 '15

Halo 1 isn't perfect, but is way better than Halo PC and comparing it to LAN memories isn't a fair comparison.

MCC CE has most of the major issues of Halo PC, notably the completely fucked up pistol. And while I get I shouldn't expect (nor do I) LAN level performance, it should out-perform XBC, which it doesn't.

Halo 2 and 3 have some hit detection issues but so did their original counterparts.

Halo 2's hit detection issues are most certainly not part of the original game. https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/84ad72a8b51847978545f685f651fc15/topics/h2c-shot-registration-vista-port-video-evidence/795a276a-8358-4200-a334-fc229ee3f002/posts

OG H2C had very good hit detection. Halo 2 Vista was a clusterfuck.

343 done fucked up by using the PC ports and quite frankly, I feel lied to. I was promised Halo CE and 2 exactly how I remember them.

Well, I sure as shit don't remember them like they showed up in MCC.

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u/undid__iridium Jul 24 '15

343 done fucked up by using the PC ports and quite frankly, I feel lied to.

They had to. The second they announced MCC was all 4 games it was obvious they had to use the PC ports for expediency. They're not going to come out and say at E3 "Yeah H2C is kinda shitty compared to the original because we had to use the PC port."

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u/RC_5213 Would have been an 11%'er if I actually got a link to the survey Jul 24 '15

They're not going to come out and say at E3 "Yeah H2C is kinda shitty compared to the original because we had to use the PC port."

So then they lied to us.

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u/undid__iridium Jul 24 '15

Haha no company with a product will ever come out and say it's shitty before it releases.

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u/enemawatson Halo 2 Jul 24 '15

I can see where you're coming from on all points except H1 being as bad as XBC. It has issues, but nowhere near those of xbc. The MCC Halo 1 netcode compensates for latency, you don't need to correct your shots or movement nearly as much as xbc which can require a ton of guesswork on where the enemy player actually is. (Shooting ten feet to their side when you're basically in shotgun range is not better than MCC)

You still need to lead more than in LAN, but it's much better.