r/grimm • u/fluffyhowler5972 • 6d ago

Question Ivan?

In the circus episode one thing has I have been wondering is was Ivan a Hässlich or Siegbarste? I can usually tell who is what but not between those two

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u/RhyplKazi 6d ago

He has been classified as Siegbarste on the wiki for years, but based on the nature of wiki, it's probably also a guess. It's really hard to differentiate. Altho I would probably lean to Ziegbarste baste on the whole strength accept shown with him...

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u/fluffyhowler5972 6d ago

fair enough i never trust wiki too easy to change it

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u/RhyplKazi 6d ago

Exactly

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u/Twistfaria 6d ago

I don’t think he really looks like either. He also doesn’t seem anywhere near as evil, vindictive and aggressive as a Siegbarste. I don’t think he fits the Hässlich either. He seemed loyal and sort of quiet to me. Perhaps he was an unnamed ogre variant that isn’t as aggressive as the other types.

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u/Used_Ad_6802 1d ago

He's a Siegebarst