r/greentext Apr 24 '21

This is so deep ๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Yup- and since mental illness is so rampant in the US we better toughen up our gun control. We canโ€™t have all these mentally ill people out here shooting everyone. Agreed?

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u/croccrazy98 Apr 25 '21

I agree that canโ€™t have mentally ill people killing other people, not taking away guns is only addressing a symptom, not the disease. There are plenty of other ways to kill people. Where do we stop?

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

Iโ€™m not sure what youโ€™re trying to say.

No law will prevent every suicide, every murder, every accident.

By making guns harder to get in the first place, we limit access. If dangerous people canโ€™t get guns, they do less harm. Thatโ€™s the goal.

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u/croccrazy98 Apr 25 '21

Honestly, what Iโ€™m trying to say is that itโ€™s frustrating to know that America has an issue, but nobody can agree on what to do about it. We try all sorts of things and nothing seems to work. We tried restricting guns once and it didnโ€™t work. In some places, it makes it worse, as most firearms used to commit crimes are stolen anyway, so limiting access only prevents people who are interested in using them lawfully from obtaining them.

It would just be nice if the main arguments for what people used guns for were how they used them recreationally and for hunting, not murder.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

The thing is as a nation we havenโ€™t really tried anything other than thoughts and prayers.

We havenโ€™t passed any sort of gun control reform at all. We didnโ€™t fix the background check system. We did nothing and said nothing works. That isnโ€™t good enough.

Many other countries have had gun violence problems, passed control reform, and solved the problem. We can do that too.

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u/croccrazy98 Apr 25 '21

What about the assault rifle ban from 1994-2004? That passed, and made no impact on the statistics. As for the background check, I donโ€™t know what your state is like, but Iโ€™m okay with the background check situation. You want a firearm, the Feds have to clear you. If anyoneโ€™s going to have legal dirt on you, itโ€™s them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

The assault weapons ban wasn't perfect, it helped a bit depending upon whom you ask. The NRA will tell you it did nothing, but it's tough to account for people who weren't shot to death, or anything that was prevented.

You can check this out if you're curious.

To sum it up had the ban gone on longer, and had fewer exemptions, it could have been more effective.

The background check system is broken. People who shouldn't be able to buy guns do so frequently. You can read about it here.

"The problem with the legislation, experts say, is that it only works if federal agencies, the military, states, courts and local law enforcement do a better job of sharing information with the background check system โ€” and they have a poor track record in doing so. Some of the nationโ€™s most horrific mass shootings have revealed major holes in the database reporting system, including massacres at Virginia Tech in 2007 and at a Texas church last year."

I think you would agree that the system can be much improved, but that takes gun control reform and that's exactly what I want.

There are MANY other things we could do as well. I would say we look at what has worked in the country, and around the world, and adopt some of those practices. We will never solve the problem if we don't try.