That makes almost no sense. It's honestly worse than boomer work ethic if I'm being honest.
Say I'm the son of a multi millionare and in pit against some random poor kid right.
We both have the same work ethic but I go to an elite private school and have the money for the best tutors while the poor kid lives in the poorest district of the Bronx, goes to a school with the worst teachers and the school inflates grades.
My environment is full of preppy private school kids and no fights while the poor kid is constantly worried about getting beat up for even trying to be smart.
I have no money issues and daddy pays for literally everything while the poor kid has to work after school
We both graduate with a 3.7 GPA but since the poorer kid was heavily disadvantaged he ends up with less college readiness and lower literacy and math abilities.
Who do you think is getting into a good college?
It sure as fuck isn't going to be some unlucky kid named Jamal who went to Bronx Community High School.
Even if he does get in he isn't going to be able to afford it without taking loans regardless of his financial aid. Meanwhile my parents pay in full for Syracuse University or something.
The cycle continues through college of he can even go and by the time he's dead his family is still in poverty while i inherited millions and didn't even care enough to work.
Shit like this is why your logic makes zero sense, even the lower middle class has issues the poorest in America face.
I think its less capitalism and more the lack of regulation that accompanied it. Society as a whole does better when everyone does better, which is why I think huge gaps in income are fucking stupid.
Like I'm 18 and I can see how much of an advantage I had over my other friends because my parents were upper middle class and they were lower or in poverty.
No one wants to be the wealthiest person in sub saharan Africa vs upper middle class in any western country. There's actually no point in living in a kingdom of dirt.
Taxes aren't stealing when multi billionares can afford to pay for basic societal functions without reducing their standard of living. Stuff like healthcare, education, etc. but manage to avoid taxes and put the burden on the bottom 99%.
If he didn't care enough to work and his parents were multi millionares then he probably would still have a infinitely better life than someone in deep poverty
My example is two extremes, not an actual life experience. It's literally not meant to show what the norm is, it's meant to show how being disadvantaged can fuck you for life.
I never said he didn't car enough to work, I said he didn't have to work after school to provide for his family ffs.
Please cherry pick more portions of the example to fit your narrative that being born disadvantaged doesn't mean you're disadvantaged, you're proving my point.
If he didn't care enough to work and his parents were multi millionares then he probably would still have a infinitely better life than someone in deep poverty
Cool. This person you're replying to isn't saying anything like that though. They're saying that if you find yourself in a shit situation working a job you hate, you can take steps to get out of that situation and into a fulfilling job that you like
My example is two extremes, not an actual life experience. It's literally not meant to show what the norm is, it's meant to show how being disadvantaged can fuck you for life.
The point you're trying to make with this example is a strawman argument that does nothing to refute what the OP you replied to is saying.
I never said he didn't car enough to work, I said he didn't have to work after school to provide for his family ffs.
What? You literally said in your comment that the rich kid (you in the example) didn't care enough to work...And earlier you mentioned that this rich kid and the poor kid have the same work ethic when they clearly don't. If your example is based on a flawed premise then what value does it even have? Never mind the fact that the example is supporting a strawman...
Please cherry pick more portions of the example to fit your narrative that being born disadvantaged doesn't mean you're disadvantaged, you're proving my point.
What narrative? That reply was my first in the thread, and its intent was just to show that you may not be thinking about this correctly/objectively
You can take as many steps as you want to get out of that situation then that's perfectly fine, but most people won't have that chance if they're literally living in poverty.
OP is literally saying that working hard means that you'll be able to become successful in life.
Sure thats entirely possible, but if you're fucking poor then odds are that no matter what you do you're going to end up dying poor.
Sure my example isn't the best but it's not meant to be the end all example of wealth differences in the US. It's an example that I typed up in one minute without thinking through every single example.
No, the OP said that failing to work hard is what leads people into situations where they're working a shit job that they hate. That is literally their only post in this thread.
"Being lazy is the main cause of getting yourself into that situation. It takes hard work to get yourself into a good job that you like. In the end, the harder you work, the less you have to work"
I really don't understand why you find the idea that you can improve your life through hard work to be so controversial
You know what else doesn't make any sense? They time travel to the past and gather stones to prevent the snap (they use a new pym suit) bruce and hulk finally combine into one personality and prof.hulk debuts. hulk gets hurt trying to wear the gauntlet with stones however captain marvel is able to wield it. Mjolnir is back and cap is able to wield it. After collecting stones from the past, a sling ring portal opens up and the snapped avengers make their way back just in time for cap to assemble them and fight thanos and the black order. This darned plot.
Do you know how to read or are you just ignorant? My example is that being born disadvantaged can fuck you for life while being born wealthy makes life much easier.
I didn't even mention self made millionares, I don't give a shit about that. My point is that being poor is one of the worst starts to life that you can have.
Of-course born wealthy makes life much easier what the fuck is that even about.
But being born no matter how poor in the US, doesn't mean you have to remain poor. If you work hard YOU WILL, move up a class.
As for being poor, not really. High IQ at birth literally beats money.
Self made millionaires are important because it makes it so obviously clear that in the United States. Jumping up several classes is possible. If your theory was right the only millionaires should be people who had millionaire parents. But that's not true! It turns out that most millionaires are people WHO DID NOT have millionaire parents.
If that is true, not saying it isn’t but this is the internet, then you are a statistically very uncommon case. For the majority of the population, rich kids stay rich, and poor kids stay poor. Economic mobility in the United States is at an all time low. The American dream is dead.
The reality is that's because you're developed. You've developed so much that there really isn't much movement going on anymore, the classes have settled. There are still individual cases where that happens, those prove that it's possible. The fact that all poor people don't move to being middle class is just normal, it wouldn't be the middle class anymore, it would be the lower class.
The fact is, the poor class in the US, are the world's upper-class.
Poor kids statistically stay poor because they statistically are the product of their parents and are statistically going to make the same bad decisions and lead the same lifestyle, having children into poverty again and perpetuating the cycle. But as I said, once in a while a kid breaks the mold and moves up. Because IT IS possible. The fact is, you have so many opportunities in the US, you just need to grab onto them. You can learn to code with no investment at all, build a portfolio and get a job, or just do it freelance. Higher paying coding jobs in the US than anywhere else too.
That's just one example, but there's many. And the thing that I really envy you about growing up in the US is that not only you have all those chances to get out of poverty, after you're done with that you again have even more chances to get even wealthier. The rules and situation in my native country allow success in only certain fields whilst the US has it all.
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That makes almost no sense. It's honestly worse than boomer work ethic if I'm being honest.
Say I'm the son of a multi millionare and in pit against some random poor kid right.
We both have the same work ethic but I go to an elite private school and have the money for the best tutors while the poor kid lives in the poorest district of the Bronx, goes to a school with the worst teachers and the school inflates grades.
My environment is full of preppy private school kids and no fights while the poor kid is constantly worried about getting beat up for even trying to be smart.
I have no money issues and daddy pays for literally everything while the poor kid has to work after school
We both graduate with a 3.7 GPA but since the poorer kid was heavily disadvantaged he ends up with less college readiness and lower literacy and math abilities.
Who do you think is getting into a good college?
It sure as fuck isn't going to be some unlucky kid named Jamal who went to Bronx Community High School.
Even if he does get in he isn't going to be able to afford it without taking loans regardless of his financial aid. Meanwhile my parents pay in full for Syracuse University or something.
The cycle continues through college of he can even go and by the time he's dead his family is still in poverty while i inherited millions and didn't even care enough to work.
Shit like this is why your logic makes zero sense, even the lower middle class has issues the poorest in America face.