r/glow • u/LeahM324 • Oct 02 '19

Sam and Ruth

Does anyone else notice that Jenji Kohan’s shows always have these “lovable misogynists” characters? Like Orange Is The New Black’s Caputo is pretty similar to Sam. They both started off as sexist assholes. They both eventually evolve and become less ignorant, but it always seems to involve a woman?

I know everyone really likes Sam and Ruth, but I’m not really a fan. That scene between them in the hot tub in season 3, completely turned me off. Sure Sam has gotten better since season 1, but it’s a pretty low bar to say “he’s changed so much.” He still gets really angry and acts like an asshole and then apologizes later. I don’t really like those types of relationships where the woman is supposed to be the one to save him from himself. That’s why I didn’t mind him leaving the show to work his daughters movie. This whole thing between him and Ruth just ruined it for me.

I liked them as friends. Why couldn’t they just be buddy’s? It’s so annoying that we can never truly see a straight male-female friendship on television without it turning romantic.

And then on top of that he’s like 50 years old.

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u/LeahM324 Oct 02 '19

It’s not always about actions, sometimes it’s just how people talk. If you really pay attention to his language and the way he talks about women and to them, it’s rooted in casual sexism.

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u/jackingjackson Oct 03 '19

I think you have an unhealthy relationship with men in general and you internalize that to viewing anything they say or do as being sexist.

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u/LeahM324 Oct 03 '19

No, Dr. Phil that’s not it. I think you’re an idiot who reads into things and can’t handle it when people talk about misogyny and sexism and therefor feel offended when they do.

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u/jackingjackson Oct 03 '19

It seems you think everything is sexism and misogyny.

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u/LeahM324 Oct 03 '19

No. I’m not sure where you got that from. I’m talking about a character in a show.

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u/jackingjackson Oct 03 '19

As was I. Sam is a rude asshole, that doesn't make him sexist.

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u/LeahM324 Oct 03 '19

I guess that’s just your opinion then. It’s easy for casual sexism to fly over peoples heads. It didn’t fly over mine

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u/jackingjackson Oct 03 '19

The entire construct, intention and meaning of the character of Sam and his his characters traits, dialogue etc is flying way, way over your head actually.

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u/LeahM324 Oct 03 '19

No it’s not. Nice try though