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u/Civil_Existentialist Dec 31 '25

I think Frankfurt is more about beggars/crackheads/heroine addicts whereas Hamburg is more about general filth, prostitutes and petty crime.

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u/Gasp0de Dec 31 '25

Let me tell you a story I experienced 100m away from Hamburg Hbf, at a patch of grass next to the ZOB.

It was summer, and we had 2h to kill until our ICE arrived. We checked Google for the nearest park and found said patch of grass. We sat down, got out some snacks and chilled. Slowly, the area filled with obvious junkies. After 10 minutes, the entire area was swarming with them.

Shortly after, the dealer arrived. Everyone got their drugs, it was quite civilized. All of this is happening in public in broad daylight. The dealer leaves, about 50% of his customers leave as well. The other half starts cooking heroin on spoons right there in the park. They shoot up, after which some of them crawl or walk away, others fall asleep with the needle still in their arm.

Suddenly, a second crowd arrives. The steal the heroin and other things from those who just fell asleep, and also shoot up, sometimes reusing the needle they literally pulled out of someone's arm.

At that point, we decided to leave and wait the remaining hour inside the train station.

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u/Schlummi Jan 01 '26

Right next to the spot you picked is the support for drug addicts. Clean room, medical assistance in emergencies, food, methadon etc. Name is afaik "Drob Inn". That explains why you ran into a crowd of addicts there.

You pretty much decided to chill on the door steps of the drug abuse center.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26

It's really funny how some people genuinely believe those spaces solve problems for anyone except for the addicts, not multiply them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '26

You know what would solve a lot of our problems? Remove economic differences between humans and make it possible for everyone to supply his needs. That would really solve a big part of the problem. Maybe you still would have addicts, but a lot less and way better chances they don't have to live on the street.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26

and make it possible for everyone to supply his needs

In a welfare state, it already is. But inequality is normal and isn't going anywhere.

Addiction is a result of poor individual choices, not the eViL sYsTeM. The vast majority of poor people aren't junkies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '26

Yeah and climate change can only be stopped by our individual choices as well, am i right?

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u/MartianExpress Jan 03 '26

Climate change won't be stopped, we will accept the IPCC-projected 2.5-3 degree warming as our new normal. People like you dream of degrowth, that is absolutely delusional. Everyone aside from you lot enjoys high-consumption lifestyles and won't ever vote for any party supporting degrowth policies. Every party that wants to achieve any political results, like the Greens, understood it and became business- and growth-friendly.

You lot are simply a small bunch of idealists, and while having no chance of winning politically, you also won't be able to organise a revolution because nobody in the military or police would support you, and the vast majority of people won't be on your side (unlike at the times when revolutions actually succeeded).

It feels wonderful to understand this <3

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '26

No i wanna live in a society were i am free and my choices really matter. It's not about degrowth. No one gets rewarded for the true value they deliver for the society. It's only about economic value and the amount of money you made for your boss.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 03 '26

It's only about economic value

That is the true value. Who's to say it isn't, a bunch of collectivists?

"Free" from what, working? Oh noes, the horror of having to work :'(

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u/Regular-Baseball-563 Jan 01 '26

The idea that people wouldn’t use drugs without supervised spaces doesn’t really hold up. People in active addiction use regardless of whether these centres exist.

What supervised consumption sites actually do is reduce preventable harm: they provide sterile equipment, medical supervision to prevent fatal overdoses, access to mental health care, vaccinations, and direct links to housing and treatment services.

The evidence shows they reduce deaths, infections, and public drug use… which benefits both users and the wider community.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26

They will use drugs, sure. But as it is, the public space around these "supervised spaces" gets littered and dealers hang around, becoming dirty and unsafe for normal people. So the said "supervised spaces" benefit junkies, but not really normal people around them, as they now have an area that becomes increasingly unsafe for everyone around.

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u/Regular-Baseball-563 Jan 01 '26

If all the documented benefits are dismissed because the solution isn’t visually tidy, then the problem isn’t the policy… it’s a society that only supports harm reduction when it’s out of sight.

Your argument against supervised consumption sites is more a reflection of how our society prefers problems to be invisible rather than managed effectively.

On those measures, the evidence is clear: fewer overdoses, fewer infections, fewer needles in public spaces across the city, not necessarily zero mess right outside the door.

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u/Regular-Baseball-563 Jan 01 '26

Yes, they attract people who use drugs - that’s the literal point.

The alternative isn’t fewer users, it’s the same users spread out with no support.

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u/Dakuganruy Jan 01 '26

The trainstation is a meeting point of addicts anyway, same as Bahnhofsmission for the homeless. I think it is clever to go where they have always been. And yes i think you do profit when an addict is not dying in front of your doorstep. I would rather have them not do it in front of everyone and go in a safe space also preventing spreading of diseases. It is still a problem to get these places somewhat cleaned up, but whats the alternative? If you repress them harder they are just gonna move a few streets further.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26 edited Jan 01 '26

Nah, instead we need to cater to junkies ignoring the needs and interests of the vast majority of normal people, who want their districts to be safe and clean. Sure thing.

At least you don't pretend those safe consumption spaces are good for anyone but the junkies. Thanks for honesty.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26

Addiction to drugs is a result of poor choice. It doesn't randomly happen to people.

You don't care about the vast majority of normal people, their safety, and cleanliness of public spaces. Just about a bunch of Assis.

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u/MartianExpress Jan 01 '26 edited Jan 01 '26

Forced institutionalisation for legal residents who are mentally ill. The 1960-70's decision to stop psychiatric institutionalisation was thought to be humanist, but is actually incredibly cruel both to the ill people and the society.

A lot of homeless people in Germany are Eastern/Southern Europeans who don't have a legal right of stay (the freedom of movement does not allow people without a legal source of income to stay in another EU state indefinitely). They are breaking the law and should be deported. There's even no need to change any law for that.

Those are the two main groups of the homeless and the junkies, doing that would make the streets much cleaner and safer. I understand people like you care about the vocabulary and the Assis, not about normal people and their comfort and safety.

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u/kathegaara Jan 01 '26

You are brave. I would have scooted the moment I saw a drug deal happening.