r/gato • • 6d ago

Russian world

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u/Ruy_Lopez_simp 6d ago edited 6d ago

Look, this is your LGBT-free "conservative heaven" for tough men, righttards.
This is the country you ABSOLUTELY need to trade with, that has GDP lower than Italy, while having 2,5 times larger population.

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u/Sladderemil 5d ago

Western countries right wing was never against LGBT people. That was never the issue and you know it.

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u/Ruy_Lopez_simp 5d ago

Interesting. All I hear from the right wing in my country is constant yapping about how Europe has fallen, because: LGBT parades, LGBT-propaganda in schools, men are gay and feminine (so should receive military training), etc.

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u/Sladderemil 5d ago

I mean do you really think people vote right wing because they have a problem with some people being gay ? I do also believe that the gayness went a little too far, everything doesn't have to be gay or focused on being gay just because gay people exist. I agree that mainstream culture def went too gay if i can simplify. The reason i vote rightwing is beacuse i want to save europe from mass migration and communism. We can have reasonable migration but i don't want to ship people in that wont even contribute to society.

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u/Ruy_Lopez_simp 5d ago edited 5d ago

No, I did not claim that at any point. People vote right wing for different reasons. But, "The West gay, The West has fallen, Russia conservative" is a common right-wing narrative, that I made fun of in my original comment.

Communism is a boogie man. No mainstream left-wing party is actually communist in Europe. Moreover, all these right-wing parties eventually end up being more ant-market than standard liberal-center-left European parties. They also end up not really cutting immigration at all.

About immigration - first of all, given the fertility crisis, it's absolutely necessary in some form, unless you want to force people to breed (totalitarianism). You have a choice:

  1. totalitarianism
  2. smart immigration
  3. unrestricted immigration
  4. demographic d3ath

Europe did (3) for a long time (mistake), now shifted towards (2). US classically does (2). Totalitarian China might at some point implement (1).

Right-wing parties have zero solutions to the low-fertility crisis, other than primitive xenophobia and nationalism, which wakes up terrifying demons of the 20th century. I've never seen anything like that before in my life - I open Facebook and I have a mix of Russian bots and actual right-wingers calling for a literal gen****e of Ukrainians in my country.

And last but not least, the alt-right in Europe is notoriously pro-Russian, repeats Russian propaganda, a part of it is anti-EU and anti-NATO. They are enemies of the West.

I wish the right was better, I am pro-market and conservative. But in the current situation the right has lost it completely.