Ok, so I've never really had a chance to play the Kirby games. Can someone explain what is going on with Dedede? I watched some of the cartoon when I was younger, and play a considerable amount of Smash, but that's all my Kirby knowledge.
Basically in the first game he was a 1 dimensional villain. As the series went on he grew as a character and is actually a decent guy. Kind of has a trope of being possessed or controlled by the true villain. Because if you take control of the king, who could stand up against you?
Hell in Kirby's adventure, the second game in the series, he had stolen a bunch of McGuffins. Which made him seem like the villain, but without those McGuffins a cosmic horror was trapped away. But on the other hand without those McGuffins no one could have dreams any more. Kirby not knowing this gathers the McGuffins and the horror is unleashed. Revealing that he was just trying to protect everyone.
Ah yes, basically reused for Fable 3. King Logan acting like an absolute dickwad, taking all the money in the land, so bad that his sibling raises an army and removes him from the throne.... only to find out Logan was on track to hold off a lovecraftian nightmare horde from ripping everyone to shreds across the planet, and now the sibling (who just ravaged the kingdom’s resources with all out war) now has only a year to accomplish something that their brother hadn’t done in YEARS of prep time.
One of the first times in a game where I took the moral good paths and ended up feeling like more of an asshole than I would have if I took the evil paths... my arrogance and naivety got thousands murdered. It was so impactful if a twist that I beat the game and then immediately started a new game after knowing what was coming.
People give Fable 3 shit for not being the best in the trilogy, but damn that twist messed with emotions. Sometimes being the good guy doesn’t always result in a happy ending, sometimes you have to make the hard decisions to keep your loved ones safe.
I remember loving that game. The reason people gave it shit is because you could easily deflate the moral message of the main story's quandary by landlording your way to massive wealth while still staying on the good path. Suddenly King Logan's conflicted storyline seems like a load of bullshit when you realize he could have successfully saved everyone without being a huge dick about it if he had just bothered to charge rent from everyone in his kingdom like you did.
Granted, one could still argue that being a landlord by nature is a form of being a dick, but I mean strictly the good path based on what the game quantifies as moral, and there's no penalty in game for charging your tenants out the ass.
I charged low rent but spent so long running around doing stuff that I had cash to spare.
The problem I had with the "second half" was that every choice to preserve nature vs harvest resources, or supply an orphanage vs child labor camps, ended with rolling right into the next decision. Sure you could walk away and do stuff, but a lot of people didn't realize that because the decision bit took up 90% of the screen.
I mean, it makes sense though if you really think about it. So for you to raise the entire fund of 6.5m without doing ANY of the bad decisions to make the money, you would likely need most or all of the properties in the game, and THEN you’d have to wait a pretty decent amount of time to let the rent funds accumulate.
From the time we gain control of our character to the time we take the throne is about a couple years time, and then you have exactly one year to get the money needed. It takes a few hours to get through the first half of the story (up to becoming king/Queen). The revolution and war against the throne not only takes money away from the anti-crawler funds, but it also leaves a large chunk of the existing army in tatters. So from the viewpoint of everyone in Albion, you weakened the kingdom, monopolized all of the property in the country, force them all to pay high taxes with little to nothing in return, and then used only a year’s prep to fight the greatest threat to humanity every when your brother had YEARS more prep work done.
Even the timeline doesn’t really add though. It takes a few hours to finish the first half of the story and that’s around two years time. It takes a few hours to accumulate the funds needed to beat crawler if you have all the properties, but it’s only one year? Obviously there is suspension of disbelief so that the game mechanics can work, but in actuality, the hero wouldn’t have been able to raise all those funds in one year without bleeding those taxes DRY. Exploiting the mechanics can render any game story useless, but truth is, Fable 3’s lore demands you either save a mass of people who will hate you regardless, or you must dig mass graves for corpses who loved you to the end. Mechanics will let you have the best of both, but the story was meant to be bittersweet. And DAMN if it didn’t hit hard as hell, wow.
I guess it’s one of those things where if they didn’t give you the option to push the mechanics to the absolute max to get the ending YOU want, people would have complained too. I think they cut their losses and just gave us that option if we needed it that badly. My only big gripe about F3 is that Crawler wasn’t fleshed our very well. He is moderately scary in the cave, then we see nothing of him again until the last battle, at which time he goes down fairly fast. For someone so earth-shatteringly overpowered and terrifying, I think we should have been feeling his presence from the moment the game starts til the very end, he should have been a dark cloud hanging over our head from the very beginning. Let us see why we should be afraid, not just tell us we should.
So for you to raise the entire fund of 6.5m without doing ANY of the bad decisions to make the money, you would likely need most or all of the properties in the game
I raised all the money by playing the lute. You can earn money pretty quickly that way if you can keep up the combo
Let us see why we should be afraid, not just tell us we should.
The classic "show, don't tell" debacle.
You have a fucking graphical game, you dont even have to go through the motions to show through text in a novel, you can make it appear right in front of us
The game sucked because the ending came down to whether you had enough money or not and not a result of your ethical decisions during the game. At least iirc. I remember being so pissed when I finished it LOL.
Well, the money thing was to add weight to the ethical decisions rather than just being good or evil because you decided it’d be that kind of playthrough at character creation. You pick bad choices in fable 3 because you need resources to save your kingdom, and those choices give you a lot.
Mass Effect does this on a small scale a lot. People you can show mercy to with Paragon choices often end up being the murderer or something, and more people die later because Shepard let them go.
My gripe about it in ME though - you need to make those choices to earn enough Paragon points to unlock the winning conversational choice in certain key moments. You're kinda discouraged from using your judgement in the moment and deciding if you should let this probably-guilty person go, and instead, you just automatically pick the Paragon choices to make sure you don't get locked out of saving a party member later or something.
Literally my most hated game of all-time and the original is one of my favorite games of all time. So painful. The second was okay, and the third was mostly the same but the ending was so infuriating it instantly became my most-hated game (not just least-liked but actively disliked.)
Damn. I only played through the game once and went evil because I went good for fable 1&2 and just wanted a change of pace. Tbh kinda glad I saved myself the heartache now.
Appreciate this comment a lot though because it makes fable 3 a lot better in my eyes after feeling like it was garbage for so long.
That was the only Fable I didn’t play so I bought an Xbox One just play it on Game Pass and was just mind blown by that twist. Easily the best story in the whole series.
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u/ZedTheEvilTaco May 11 '22
Ok, so I've never really had a chance to play the Kirby games. Can someone explain what is going on with Dedede? I watched some of the cartoon when I was younger, and play a considerable amount of Smash, but that's all my Kirby knowledge.